What should Donald Trump do about Saudi Arabia and Jamal Khashoggi?
What should The United States do about Saudi Arabia and Jamal Khasshogi?
I keep hearing the Politicians, especially those on the Left, ask these questions? As if the United States of America is the only ally or strategic partner of Saudi Arabia. As if the United States of America has a responsibility to police every action of every Nation and every people on this Planet.
What should Donald Trump do about Saudi Arabia and Jamal Khashoggi?
What should The United States do about Saudi Arabia and Jamal Khasshogi?
Neither Donald Trump nor the United States of America should do anything in response to Saudi Arabia’s alleged actions regarding Jamal Khashoggi. This is not our responsiblity as a Nation or as a people.
This alleged crime occurred (or did not occur) on Turkish soil in a Saudi Arabian embassy. Whatever happened did not happen on US soil or in an Embassy of the United States of America.
If we do anything at all, we should recommend to the aggrieved Nations that they take it to the United Nations and let the Nations of the World decide how to handle the events surrounding Jamal Khashoggi.
Let the Nations of the World decide together how to deal with this issue. Let the UN bring it to the Security Council or the International Crime Commission.
Then we shall see the true hypocrisy out there. Much of this loud talk will dissipate.
Saudi Arabia is not the responsibility of the US. They are a strategic partner. They are a customer of US Defense and Petro Corporations amongst others.. They are a sovereign nation.
Those Nations, such as Turkey, who are aggrieved by the alleged actions of the Saudis should take their case to the United Nations. Let those grievances be aired. Let the Nations present their allegations and their evidence in the open. Let the Saudis argue their narrative. Let the Nations of the World decide.
Is this not the expressed desires of the Globalists? That the world exist and operate as a unified whole? Why now do they argue for unilateral action on the part of The United States and President Donald J. Trump?
Liberals, Leftists, Conservatives, Neo-Cons, Neo-Liberals, Islamists, Pan-Islamists and everyone else concerned keep speaking of a long awaited Islamic Reformation.
Actually, that Reformation has already began and is ongoing. Except that Islam is going from a slumbering megalith to an extremist controlled ideology.Islam began a long sleep sometime in the 1700-1800 era. It went near comatose after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Two things occurred to awaken Islam:
Conflict in the Middle East predates Islam by thousands of years. This region is a crossroads of history. Traditions of hate, violence and war date back to before the Greeks and Persians to the earliest stories of the pre-Phoenician peoples. Expecting “Peace in the Middle East” One may as well search for the burial place of Genghis Khan. Find one; you may find the other.
None of this is to say that the United States or Britain is to blame for Islamic Extremism. Islam was born in blood. It will die in blood. Islam was spread via conquest. Muslims and Liberals love to deny this. However, the Islamic Empire spread from Medina to Andalusia (Spain) in an amazingly short period of time. None of these territories invited Mohammad, Abu Bakr or Uthman into their lands. Islam did not quietly knock and ask for admittance. Islam rode at the head of a world devouring empire. People “submitted” to Allah not because they suddenly saw the light. They converted or “reverted” because it was the prudent thing to do. If you were given the choice between conversion, death or high taxes and second/third class citizenship in your own lands, most would choose to convert.
Islam is a violent Abrahamic religion. All three of the religions spawned by Abraham are violent and full of blood lust — Xtianity, Judaism and Islam.
The Extremist Muslims are following the path of previous Muslims including that of Mohammad. Denial of this is denial of historic reality.
Islam is violent. It also knows peace. However, like Xtianity, the majority of the religions is about purifying the world and making it ready for God/Allah via force.
Same God, same violence, same hatred for the non-believer. Muslims choose which path to follow. Those who choose violence choose that path regardless of outside influence. They would choose that path even if the US and Britain had never existed as neither existed when the Islamic Empire first invaded Europe, Africa and Asia.
I don’t think the US needs a plan to defeat ISIS.
Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Iran all need a plan to defeat ISIS.
We should let them take the lead. The onus for the fall of ISIS should be on them.
Only when they have taken the lead and committed forces should the US provide support.
The initiative and the majority of forces and funding should come from Saudi Arabia.
The US is not truly threatened by ISIS. We are only threatened in so far as we allow that threat to come to our shores. We are only threatened in so far as our proximity to ISIS.
ISIS is no existential threat to the United States of America.
I don’t care who is in charge of the Middle East. ISIS and Saudi Arabia are two of a kind. If ISIS were to gain the upper hand and defeat the Saudis, we would treat with ISIS in the same way that we treat with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia and ISIS are the same evil. They are the same immoral, uncivilized, hyper-religious form of scum.
If ISIS were to win, eventually, they would calm down and realize that they needed to do business with the West. The radicals only hold onto power for a generation or so.
Here’s something that no one is talking about. I’ve spent a bit of time in Afghanistan. One problem that we’ve had there is extremely Pro-American Afghans suddenly “turning” on the US/Coalition. Later, we find out that these persons families were targeted. The guy is given a choice. Commit this heinous act and kill Americans or ISIS/Taliban/Haqqani kills their daughter, son, mother, father, wife, etc.
How do we know that this is not the case with this seemingly pro-American Somali.
He may not be the terrorist. He may be a fellow victim.
What would you do if you received a video or a letter stating that your family will be killed, tortured, raped and/or brutalized if you don’t do as ordered by the terrorists. As we accept more and more refugees, these will be issues which America must deal. Accept refugees and you accept a “knapsack” of challenges.
This possibility must be taken into account when accepting refugees who have family in any area which is held by ISIS, the Taliban or any other Extremist Group.
Or…we could take out the real enemy — Saudi Arabia.
The US Supreme Court has ruled that Americans can sue Nations such as Iran over terrorist acts that may or may not have been supported by those Nations. There is a ruling about to be decided upon currently concerning Saudi Arabia. These are extremely dangerous rulings that could set precedent that place Americans in danger across the Globe. I would love to see any and every avenue taken to bring Saudi Arabia down. The House of Saud is a great evil and are responsible for 90% of Islamic Terrorism across the Planet. If Saudi Arabia and its Wahhabi Death Cult could be crushed, much of the unrest and division between Muslims and other people across the world could be arrested and turned around. With Saudi Wahhabis funding global terrorist groups, terrorism and groups such as al Qaeda and ISIS will continue to rise and wreak havoc and sow division everywhere.
American Foreign Policy has place the US Military around the globe “combatting” terrorism. Our strategies, tactics, techniques and procedures are not always on solid footing with International Norms. Strictly speaking, much of what we do would be illegal in a International Criminal Court. Our Soldiers and Leaders are placed at risk because of these rulings. Now, I have no problem with politicians such as Barack Obama or George Bush being held to account for their illegal, inhumane and downright evil acts. My issue is that Joe the Private or Sam the Colonel might be renditioned whilst on vacation in the Bahamas. A US Citizen might be held and extradited to Iran, France or Syria for prosecution for breaking Iranian, French or Syrian law. We do it. Why could they not follow suit?
What if the people of Pakistan, Syria,Iran, Guatemala, Iraq, Afghanistan took this to its logical conclusion? Each of those nations could sue us for terrorism and mass murder. We have bombed the hell out of those places. We have indiscriminately targeted “military aged males.” One need not be guilty of anything more than being in a cricket club to be bombed by our drones and missiles. We have made this more than obvious. We have publicly stated the “military aged males” targeting. We have bombed civilians for no other reason than they were in the same general area as suspected terrorists.
If Citizens of the US can sue those governments for their crimes then Citizens of other nations can sue our government for crimes we have committed even if we will never admit that they are crimes. SECDEF Gates warned against this. He called it “Lawfare.” Our military members and civilians could be targeted for rendition and extradition by other nations. Our politicians could be targeted.
This smacks of lunacy, idiocy and a lack of comprehension of International Law and Treaty. I fully expect stupidity from the American People. Congress and SCOTUS should know better.
I’m still waiting for the answer.
The Young British Soldier
When the 'arf-made recruity goes out to the East 'E acts like a babe an' 'e drinks like a beast, An' 'e wonders because 'e is frequent deceased Ere 'e's fit for to serve as a soldier. Serve, serve, serve as a soldier, Serve, serve, serve as a soldier, Serve, serve, serve as a soldier, So-oldier OF the Queen! Now all you recruities what's drafted to-day, You shut up your rag-box an' 'ark to my lay, An' I'll sing you a soldier as far as I may: A soldier what's fit for a soldier. Fit, fit, fit for a soldier . . . First mind you steer clear o' the grog-sellers' huts, For they sell you Fixed Bay'nets that rots out your guts -- Ay, drink that 'ud eat the live steel from your butts -- An' it's bad for the young British soldier. Bad, bad, bad for the soldier . . . When the cholera comes -- as it will past a doubt -- Keep out of the wet and don't go on the shout, For the sickness gets in as the liquor dies out, An' it crumples the young British soldier. Crum-, crum-, crumples the soldier . . . But the worst o' your foes is the sun over'ead: You must wear your 'elmet for all that is said: If 'e finds you uncovered 'e'll knock you down dead, An' you'll die like a fool of a soldier. Fool, fool, fool of a soldier . . . If you're cast for fatigue by a sergeant unkind, Don't grouse like a woman nor crack on nor blind; Be handy and civil, and then you will find That it's beer for the young British soldier. Beer, beer, beer for the soldier . . . Now, if you must marry, take care she is old -- A troop-sergeant's widow's the nicest I'm told, For beauty won't help if your rations is cold, Nor love ain't enough for a soldier. 'Nough, 'nough, 'nough for a soldier . . . If the wife should go wrong with a comrade, be loath To shoot when you catch 'em -- you'll swing, on my oath! -- Make 'im take 'er and keep 'er: that's Hell for them both, An' you're shut o' the curse of a soldier. Curse, curse, curse of a soldier . . . When first under fire an' you're wishful to duck, Don't look nor take 'eed at the man that is struck, Be thankful you're livin', and trust to your luck And march to your front like a soldier. Front, front, front like a soldier . . . When 'arf of your bullets fly wide in the ditch, Don't call your Martini a cross-eyed old bitch; She's human as you are -- you treat her as sich, An' she'll fight for the young British soldier. Fight, fight, fight for the soldier . . . When shakin' their bustles like ladies so fine, The guns o' the enemy wheel into line, Shoot low at the limbers an' don't mind the shine, For noise never startles the soldier. Start-, start-, startles the soldier . . . If your officer's dead and the sergeants look white, Remember it's ruin to run from a fight: So take open order, lie down, and sit tight, And wait for supports like a soldier. Wait, wait, wait like a soldier . . . When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Go, go, go like a soldier, Go, go, go like a soldier, Go, go, go like a soldier, So-oldier of the Queen!
So you would have fought during World War II but not Nam, Korea or Iraq and Afghanistan.
Why did Japan attack Pearl Harbor?
Britain and France declared war on Germany because Germany invaded Poland. That was the pretense at any rate.
Japan attacked Pearl Harbor after America had engaged in a systematic effort to deny the Empire of Japan the resources necessary to build their Nation and Empire.
By the end of World War II, Poland and all of Eastern Europe was in the hands of a greater evil than Hitler could ever have hoped to represent. That evil being the Soviet Union.
Soviet Communism which later morphed into Maoist Communism took China.
Communism also swept through Southeast Asia.
The end result of World War II was that the West fought Japan and Germany in order to hand over their Empires to the Soviet Union.
World War II was a direct cause of the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Cold War and attributed to the rise of Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is the cause of 90% of the Islamic Fundamentalism on this Globe. Islamic Fundamentalism is the root of Islamic Terrorism.
If there were no Saudi Arabia, there would exist no taliban, no ISIS, no al Qaeda, no Khorasan and so on and so forth.
Fundamentalist Shi’a Iran can also be traced to poor decision making based on the the Cold War anti-Communist paranoia that haunted the West from 1945 through the end of the Soviet Union circa 1991.
The Arab-Israeli Conflict can be traced back to World Wars 1 and 2.
World War II also gave us the CIA and the NSA via Cold War paranoia.
You can research any and all of this with a simple google search.
I’m not seeing how World War II was “the good war.” It was an asinine war prompted by the American Banking conglomeration.
World War II was not the good war. It was a war like any other only on a global scale. It put the globe to the flame and destroyed millions of lives and billions of dollars of property.
America profited from the outcome immensely which drove our recovery out of the Great Depression and into the boom years of the 50s and 60s.
It was as much an elective war for the United States of America as Polk’s Mexican War or LBJ’s Vietnam War or Bush’s Iraq War or Obama’s wars in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia.
We must be very careful when we speak of exercising “leadership” in Asia. We are deceiving ourselves and others when we pretend to have answers to the problems, which agitate many of these Asiatic peoples. Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6.3 of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships, which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and daydreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world benefaction…
In the face of this situation we would be better off to dispense now with a number of the concepts which have underlined our thinking with regard to the Far East. We should dispense with the aspiration to ‘be liked’ or to be regarded as the repository of a high-minded international altruism. We should stop putting ourselves in the position of being our brothers’ keeper and refrain from offering moral and ideological advice. We should cease to talk about vague — and for the Far East — unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.
~ George Kennan
If it weren’t for oil, our military presence would not be necessary.
I say this as a Ten Year Military Vet, Logistics Subject Matter Expert, Author of a book on Afghanistan and a person who has spent the last decade in/arnd & studying the Middle East & Central Asia and American Strategy/Foreign Policy.
If our addiction to oil could be kicked, we would not need a military presence in the Gulf.
If we could kick that addiction to oil, we could nix our relationship with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the origin of 90% of Islamic Terrorism. ISIS and al Qaeda are funded by Saudi Arabia.
Imagine if we funded Hemp Farms. Hemp could replace much of the petroleum industry in so far as plastics and such are concerned.
Imagine solar power being the source for all Federal and State Agencies as well as Home Electricity. Supplement that with Gas & Oil that is produced in America.
There are also immense energy production capabilities from our rivers, wind, the ocean currents, etc.
We could halve (at least) our dependence on fossil fuels if we would be smart about it.
Halve our oil dependence and we do not need any outside oil resources.
Also, it is not oil which necessitates our large military. It is the “petrodollar.” You should look that up if you don’t know what it means.
I do not think that Hillary is Hitler. One politician is about the same as the other. Some, like Hitler, are simply more successful in moving society to accomplish their aims. The aims are all the same. Control of the populace in a given geo-political area for the advancement of personal power. There is nothing more to it.
There are no Great Leaders out there.
Look at the great leaders in history.
Lincoln — He kinda freed the slaves. But not really. In order to keep the South in the Union, he prosecuted a war which claimed the lives of millions. How is he different than Hitler or Stalin or FDR or Churchill or any of the Monarchs of the 17th Century.
FDR took America to war for Democracy and to save the Free World. In the end, more people were enslaved by communism than were threatened by the madness of Hitler.
Ike, JFK, LBJ took us to war in Vietnam to stop the communist dominoes from falling. In the end, those communist dominoes fell anyway. Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia all fell to communism. Indonesia became a dictatorship. Nixon’s “peace with honor” all but ensured the fall of Cambodia to the Khmer Rouge. Congress’ failure to support South Vietnam or Laos after our withdrawal ensured their fall to communism. What did we accomplish except to participate in slaughter and sacrifice our citizen soldiers to madness and arrogance.
We supported the Indonesia dictator.
How were the people of Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos better off after our War of Liberation?
In Iraq, Bush “liberated” the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein only to have Obama hand those same people over to a Shi’ite despots and the Islamic madmen of the Islamic State. All the while, we supported the Monarchy which fuels Sunni Extremism via Dollar Diplomacy. The Wahhabis owe everything to Saudi Arabia. The Wahhabis are ISIS, al Qaeda, al Jihad, the Muslim Brotherhood and every other Sunni Islamic Extremists group extant.
In what war has America actually helped anyone?
We defeated Germany and Japan? They went on to become economic superpowers. This would have occurred anyway. In fact, the war with Japan was over the US and Britain keeping resources away from Japan that would have allowed them to become an economic superpower. We basically warred with Japan for five years in order to destroy them so that they could recover and become exactly what we had attempted to stop them from becoming. Millions died because FDR and his economic obstructionism. Yet, FDR is a hero and Hitler is a villain.
It was the same with Germany. Britain did not want Germany to become master of the Continent. So, we warred with them twice in conflagrations which engulfed the world in flames…so that Germany could become the economic master of the Continent.
What did we accomplish with our wars?
Asia slowly recovers with Laos and Cambodia lagging and their people suffering in poverty. Vietnam is becoming a mini-economic superpower and are loosening their economic controls so that capitalists can profit. This benefits the State and the Capitalists. There is relatively little benefit to the people.
Germany is the power of the Continent.
Britain has lost it’s empire. (I suppose that’s a plus).
America is still an economic power though we are doing our best to implode.
Russia is what it has always been. The poor man of Europe and the villain of the east.
China is a burgeoning beast with the potential to ruin or save the world as it has always been.
And history begins to repeat itself.
Is war on the horizon?
It seems that Political Leaders of the World are repeating the sins of the last century even as they preach of peace. I see no peace. I see no good coming of this next few decades. If the “Great Leaders” of this coming Century are as incompetent and arrogant as those of the last, the World is doomed to simply repeat the sins of the past. There were be Great Leaders only because they take us into Great Wars.
Where are the visionaries? Where is our Jesus? Our Moses? Our Gandhi? Where are the leaders who not only preach peace but practice it?
Can the earth survive human war or human peace? If we war on one another with our current technology, we may make this world uninhabitable. If we do not war and continue “peaceably,” human being will reproduce in unsustainable numbers.
There seems to be no way out. By War or Peace, humanity’s ignorance and lack of foresight endangers itself…ensures it’s fall. Perhaps that is not a bad thing.
On the Middle East. Much of the violence in the Middle East can be directly traced to actions of outside interlopers since World War 1.
The Brits worked to place the Saudis in power after World War 1. America acted in concert with others to empower the House of Saud during and after World War II.
The Saudis are Wahhabis. The State Religion of Saudi Arabia is Wahhabist Islam. The Muslim Brotherhood is a Wahhabist Movement. Al Qaeda, al Jihad, ISIS and every other extremist Sunni Islamic organizations traces it’s origins to the Muslim Brotherhood and/or directly to the preachings of al Wahhab.
We created the beast which spawned the demons whom we fight in the War on Terror.
In the 50s, Kermit Roosevelt was sent by Ike and the Dulles Bros, at the behest of Britain and Anthony Eden, to depose Mossadegh who was Prime Minister of Iran. Mossadegh was deposed. The Shah was placed on the Peacock Throne of Iran by Kermit Roosevelt.
The Shah used his Savak to terrorize the people of Iran. He exiled Khomeini.
Carter weakened the Shah some 25 or 30 years later by speaking to Human Rights and withdrawing support.
Khomeini and his revolution are the progenitors of all Shi’a extremism. Khomeini and his Iranian Revolutionary Guards created Hezbollah.
No Kermit, no Shah. No Shah, no Khomeini. No Khomeini, no IRG. No IRG, no Hezbollah.
Vietnam plays a role here as well. Prior to Vietnam (and Iran), the US was seen as a champion of the downtrodden and a revolutionary victor over Colonialism.
After Vietnam, we became a colonial oppressor.
Cuba plays a role here as well. We attempted to deny Cuba self determination.
The US is no longer a champion of the oppressed people’s of Colonialism by our own actions. Instead, we are merely actors for Big Banks and Big Corporations.
This is how we are seen, with great justification, by much of the world.
Much of the terrorism aimed at us is directly attributable to our support of dictators and despots throughout the Middle East and Asia.
ISIS, al Qaeda and other Islamic Organizations feel that in order to take power from the House of Saud and other despotic regimes that they must attack us. We are the primary support for the Saudis and other despots. We have supported nearly every Sunni despot extant.
We supported Saddam before we deposed him. We gave him his initial batch of nerve agents and gave him the means to develop more. Then we used possession of these as rationale for attacking him.
We did the same thing to Noriega. As long as he was our man, we turned a blind eye to his drug trafficking. As soon as he decided that he wanted to go his own way, we defamed him and attacked him. I’ve read widely that the CIA actually assisted in his drug trafficking and money laundering before we turned on him.
The Middle East is a mess partially because the West disbanded the Ottoman Empire, partially because of the idiot Sukes-Picot agreement, partially because of oil profits, and partially because of the Sunni-Shi’a divide.
America has always pushed a divide and conquer agenda on the Middle East.
Now, we complain that they are divided and can’t or won’t come together.
If the Middle East were to come together as in the old days of the Qaliphate, does anyone think that they would do otherwise than what ISIS claims as a goal?
I don’t get it either. We get all poofed up over one guy getting his head chopped off with a long knife. We also get our panties bunched in a wad over 10,000 deaths to nerve gas.
We get exercised not at all at deaths by drones in the hundreds and collateral damage. The American President can assassinate a US citizen based on proofs only seen by our Elite and all knowing government. We can bomb civilians “back to the stone age.” We can invade a country based on lies. And no one seems to care.
I don’t see the difference.
The invasion of Iraq caused hundreds of thousands of deaths. We invaded Iraq based on lies. While our government covered up the guilt and involvement of Saudi Arabia whom we should have invaded.
Saudi Arabia funds and/or controls ISIS and al Qaeda. Yet, we ignore this.
As long as Saudi Arabia is our ally, Islamic extremism will be a part of the reality of life on planet Earth. Yet, we pretend that this is not so.
Even the Ottomans knew better than to empower the House of Saud. Yet, the all knowing American World Police treat with the Sauds as if they are just another nation. The House of Saud and their Wahhabist animal scum are the center of the issue. Saudi Arabia is ISIS. Saudi Arabia is the original Islamic State.
No Saudi Arabia, no Wahhabism.
No Wahhabism, no ISIS, no al Qaida, no Muslim Brotherhood.
When will we learn?
Except we wish no longer to learn truths and deal with them. Perpetual war is more profitable for our Banks. America rots as our banks and the men behind them control the conversation and the politics and the Presidents and the Congress.
People complaining about American conquest and treatment of the “Native American,” PLEASE! Just stop. This is the history of mankind. Only since World War II have we stopped the conquest and taking of land for ourselves.
I believe Israel (67), China (50s/Tibet) and Pakistan (Balochistan/49 to present day) are the last nations to take lands via conquest. Iraq tried it in the 80s but were immediately expelled by Iran. Lebanon is currently being occupied by Hezbollah which is tantamount to Iranian occupation.
Both China and Pakistan are currently and have been in contention with India over territories. China is starting to stake claims in territories that are currently in possession of nations such as Japan and the Philippines.
Pakistan and Afghanistan are in contention over the Durand Line.
Mexico and America are having extreme border issues.
Scotland wants to opt out of the UK.
The Kurds want their own nation with inclusion of territory currently possessed/claimed by Turkey, Iran and Iraq.
Iran will start making claims soon on lands occupied by the Russians.
ISIS is currently taking lands via conquest that were Syrian and Iraqi. If they grow powerful enough, they will turn towards Mekkah and possibly Iran. They’ll leave Israel for later.
Of course, there is Israel. They occupy the West Bank and Gaza as well as maintain control over an “autonomous” Arab/Islamic thugocracy in Gaza. They’ve occupy lands that are claimed by Syria as well.
I see occurring more and more in the near future conflicts over territory as the World grows more politically chaotic.
Without looking it up, I believe that the last time that America took lands by conquest was at the conclusion of the Spanish American War when we were “given” the Philippines, Guam, Wake Island, etc.
Basically, the Colonists or White Man, as labelled by Western Liberals, did nothing that the Indians (Native or aboriginal) Americans had not done themselves. There were Empires and Kingdoms in the Americas prior to the advent of European “exploration,” conquest and colonization of the Americas.
The Aztecs, Incans, Mayans, Anasazi, Pueblo and every other tribe, confederation and/or “State” in the Americas did not spring up out of the earth in the exact spot where they became the dominant political entity. They took those lands from others.
In my opinion, gnashing one’s teeth over the “sins” of others which you yourself have committed is a bit hypocritical.
That said, I look to see more conquest in the future as liberalism and the touchy feely politics of America and Western Europe recedes with the fall from influence brought on by our liberalism and “guilt” in general, and the waning of our economic superpower status due to the rise of China, India and the conflicts with Russia and Iran as well as the negative impacts of our constant and consistent incompetent meddling throughout the world. America is overreaching and it is going to hurt us in the near future. With idiot leaders such as Bush and Obama, I see nothing changing and our path is clear and downward in a dizzying spiral.
The primary power of the globe for these past 70 years has been the “petrodollar.” Russian, Iran, Scotland (if she separates successfully) as well as Venezuela are willing and even eager to sell their natural resources in other currencies as well as through a barter system. This is the center of the conflicts evolving between the US and these nations.
If Scotland successfully secedes from the UK AND decides to go off the reservation (petrodollar), look for the US to start pressuring them and calling them rogue, etc.
Once America loses the petrodollar hegemony, all bets are off. We will see a much more chaotic world.
Personally, I am very much looking forward to it.
Imagine a war between a nuclear Saudi Arabia led Gulf confederation against a nuclear levant centered Iran.
Pakistan and India going at it with Nukes.
Russia is already threatening the use of nukes over Ukraine.
We can whine about the past all we want. That past will be nothing compared to the next 100 years. As resources grow scarce, this world is going to go insane. In the end, I believe that Western Liberalism will achieve it’s end. However, the unintended consequences will be their own annihilation as “barbarian” tribes rise up and murder them in their self-righteous and contented sleep. The world will be in flames in the next 100 years. This is not new to history. All great Empires fall. China and Rome fell in such a manner. When a people lose their ability to fight, their will to fight, their survival instincts, the end is not far off. Liberals have no will to fight and nothing in which they believe. The highest ideal of the Western Liberal is the loathing of his/her own culture. Doom shall surely follow.
The Grand Mufti of Egypt came out publicly against ISIS. Said that they are not of Islam.
When the Ottomans were in power, they blew up the Nejd when the Wahhabis first started trying to come out.
This Wahhabist nonsense that has turned Islam on it’s head is only about 250 years old. The problem is that it is the Saudi preferred Islam. Saudi Arabia has oil.
The first guy from the House of Saud to raise up and hold the Wahhabi flag was beheaded by the Ottomans. They waxed that idiot. They put down the rebellion. About 70 years passed and Egypt joined forces with Britain to put it down again.
It stayed down until Allenby let Lawrence raise the tribes in alliance to fight the Ottomans and then Britain half ass supported the nascent Saudi state. Saudi Arabia was born with Wahhabism as their national/official religion.
Then in WWII, that old senile FDR made Saudi Arabia a full ally of the West and started pumping dollars in there for oil exploration.
Suddenly, the Wahhabist were flush with dollars.
They put those dollars into spreading the very Islamic virus that the leaders of Islam had seen fit to put down. All the while, America and the West turned a blind eye…because OIL!
We did this to ourselves by allowing Saudi Arabia to become the richest oil producing nation on the planet. They took that money and spread their cancer.
Now, we ignore the root of the disease while vigorously fighting the symptoms.
Why? Because the leaders of the West are idiots…and our corporations are greedy.
They still make their money. They do not care about the chaos or the deaths of ordinary folks across the globe.
The greatest sin of America (or the West) is not racism or abu Ghraib or torture, rendition or My Lai. It is Saudi Arabia.
FDR & AMERICA CREATED THE ISLAMIC THREAT! We brought this Frankenstein to life. We are our greatest enemy.
They are a wake up call to the Muslim World.
ISIS is the ultimate expression of Islamic values at their most extreme. ISIS is the Spanish Inquisition of Islam. ISIS is a heinous, violent, vile organization that expresses it’s Islamist values at their ultimate Wahhabist/Muslim Brotherhood level of hate, exclusivity and intolerance for all others.
The Sunni Muslim world now has a choice. Embrace ISIS and show the world that Islam truly is a wretched religion of hatred and death OR reject ISIS and show the world that there is hope that Islam can normalize AWAY from the House of Saud’s death cult and it’s various branches in Hamas, al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc.
The Muslim world has a clear choice. Embrace ISIS’ Islam and reject the World community or reject ISIS and join the World community.
Islam or Muslims do not need to embrace Western commercialism as a culture. They do need to step out of the 14th Century and allow for the existence of other peoples and cultures.
This is why we need to allow the Muslim world to deal with ISIS. Stop interfering. If ISIS wins, we can deal with them at that point. Until such time as ISIS wins, the Muslims need to make choices and decide to embrace and support or reject and fight ISIS.
We have coddled these people for too long. We have protected despots, petty monarchs and dictators for far too long.
It is time to step back and let Islam reform itself one way or the other. Either they embrace the Extremist culture and ultimate expression of the Salafist way of Islam or they reform their religion and culture in a positive way that allows for the existence of and cooperation with others.
Islam at this point is a decrepit beast that is hell bent on a path that leads down the road to violent death. ISIS is nothing more than an Islamic Khmer Rouge.
If the Muslims wish for this and embrace it, they are our enemies. If they reject it, they can become something more and better.
However, if the West keeps fighting the battles that Muslims need to fight, they will never know who they are, what they can become and why they should or should not become whatever it is that they are to become.
The only thing that Obama and other Western “leaders” are doing at this moment is giving future generations future excuses to reject the West as interlopers and enemies of Islam. If the West defeats ISIS without letting Islam confront this “face of Islam,” we are simply giving future generations of Muslims an excuse to re-open this Pandora’s box when they too become disillusioned by the corruption and ignorance that prevails in the Middle East and other areas dominated by Islam.
We are simply transferring angst from one generation to the next. That angst needs to be let loose. It needs to be resolved by Muslims within Islam. This is humanity. This is what we do. No reform will come in Islam until ISLAM is allowed to face itself stark naked in the mirrors of the deserts of it’s own cultural soul.
What person who has lived a life and made mistakes could run for office and win? Why would any sane person wish to have his or her personal life flayed and left open for the criticism of hypocrites.
While Clinton was being Impeached for sexing up the fat girl, it was revealed that Henry Hyde had had an affair in similar manner at the same age as Bill Clinton. When asked about it, Hyde responded something to the effect that it had occurred when he was a young man and didn’t know better.
I lost my appetite for many politicians…hell, for most politicians in the Clinton Era. They lied, schemed and generally did the opposite of that which was good for America in the name of party politics.
The only proof of corruption needed is to look at the Oil and Health Industries.
The American “health” industry is disgusting. It’s a death cult. Profit as much as possible from poor health and death. No one in the health industry are interested in saving lives. They’re only interested in profits. They’ll give you a pill for 500USD a month that could be had in Canada for 500CAD a year.
On one side, the market pushes you fat pills that crushes your health and on the other side, the market pushes “health” that crushes your finances. All pushed by a market and a government that wishes only to tax and spend us into oblivion.
The tech is here to move away from the petroleum industry that has sucked us into the Middle east and it’s interminable wars. Yet, in order for America to remain the global police, we push oil and refuse to reach for other energy tech. We export oil. Yet, somehow we find it wise to import oil from our enemies in the Gulf and countries such as Venezuela. How does this make sense.
We meddle and intervene everywhere using “terrorism” as an excuse to spread terror. How does this make sense? Saudi Arabia is the epicenter of terrorism. The Nejd is the origin of the ideas behind the Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda, the taliban and every other extremist form of Islam excepting only the Iranians and their Hezbollah.
Yet, Saudi Arabia is our ally.
Most Muslim Extremists are either from the Nejd or were raised on the teachings of radicals in the Nejd.
Somehow, we can’t figure out that this is a problem. It’s as if there is some black liquid in our eyes with a lush green sheet acting as some kind of veil (or hijab not to be confused with Jihad!).
America has created it’s own enemies out of paranoia (N. Korea, Iran & Vietnam) or Imperialistic greed behaviors (Iran, Iraq, Russia, China, Somalia, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, etc) for over half a century now.
We created the Khmer Rouge in the same manner that we created ISIS and helped to create the Taliban. We even assisted in the rise of Ho Chi Minh and Mao through our stupidity.
And pls don’t get me started on the early days of the Soviet Union and how we propped up Stalin so that he could fight Hitler.
Almost every problem we have today finds American finger prints in it’s DNA.
But let’s talk about Obama and how idiotic he is.
And let’s call anyone who makes such statements a “blame America firster.”
Our economy is based on banks who use US foreign policy to rape local economies and gamble constantly. They can afford these gambles because the Fed and the US Gov’t will bail them out as they have done since 1907. The American tax payer is nothing more than a battery compartment for Banking regeneration in a post-fail economic recovery. It has been this way since the turn of the century.
But, we’ll all pretend that the President or Party in power actually matters.
(This is a rant I first posted to facebook…lol)
“Fact is Muslims kill far more Muslims than non-Muslims.”
Umar, Founder of the Ummayyad Dynasty
I don’t understand when people state this obvious fact as if it is a totem against Islamic extremism or judgment thereof.
This is a horrid fact. It is a wretched statement about the lunacy of Islam. To be an apostate in Islam is a death sentence and nearly every group of Muslim lunatics has their own definition of apostacy. Much like the Catholics and Protestants (pick your denomination) in the age of Christian insanity, to fall in with a group of Muslims is to inculcate their beliefs or risk death in non-conformity. In the West, non-conformity is to risk at best ostracism from a desired group. At worst and if one acts violently, one may risk imprisonment or exile (ala Manning & Snowden). In Islam, non-conformity is a possible or probable death sentence. Depending on the country, region or group of lunatics in one’s immediate geographic area, probable/possible can proceed with alacrity to certainty.
According to some researchers, 15% of the world’s Muslim population actively or passively supports extremist views of Islam. This is certainly not true. For to be a Muslim is to believe that the Qu’ran is infallible. Much of the Qu’ran is extremist. Certainly, there are passages in the Qu’ran which imitate the New Testament of the suicidal Messiah. However, most of the Qu’ran is about conquest and akin to the Old Testament and the Judaic God of Omnipotent Fury.
One can read the Qu’ran and come away with passages of love for humanity. Yet, Islam is not Christianity. Islam is it’s own religion. Islam asserts it’s ascendancy over all other religions. Islam states that it is well and good to convert via conquest even as it states that no Infidel or non-believer should be forced into conversion (or reversion as the Muslims believe). Instead of forcing one to “revert,” Islam creates a second class of citizens and a third class of citizens all the while asserting that this well and good.
Islam, as of this time, has no real global political power. The judge of the character of a religion or cause is not it’s actions during impotence but in it’s age of power. How does it treat those when it has the power to coerce, tax and to impose it’s will.
One must look to the Nations wherein Islam IS the power. Where Islam is the Law. For this, we have Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Lybia and assorted other nations such as Indonesia. The outlook is not favorable for Islam as peaceful and tolerant religion.
Look to Jerusalem during the Jordanian occupation. How did the Jordanians treat non-Muslims in their holy city. How do Muslims treat the holy places of the other? In the history of Islam, they have mostly been want to demand respect for their holy places while desecrating those of all others. To be sure, there are exceptions. Omar, Babar and Saladin are fine examples of Islamic tolerance. Omar was an early Islamic leader coming soon after Mohammad. Babar and Saladin were not of the Arab/Gulf school of Islam. They grew up under the Mystics and Sufis of the deserts.
The brand of Islam that has arisen again out of the Nejd and which is spreading like a disease of the soul throughout the Muslim world via Wahhabism and it’s children in the Muslim Brotherhood is not of the desert Sufis or Mystics. Wahhabism is severe. Wahhabism is a cancer being spread via oil pipelines and capitalistic greed. It is apocalyptic. It is messianic. It is a potential world devourer for it cares not whom it kills, how many it murders or what it destroys. It’s mission is to spread throughout the body of humanity by any means necessary even unto the death of the host. We can wish that this latest Muslim movement was one of tolerance and we can pretend that the 15% are the only Muslims about whom we must be concerned. However, in the history of man, it is not the 85% who carries the day and rules history or crafts the stories of blood and violence that rends peace and creates war. It is the 15% who terrorizes and leads the other 85% into the rift of war, violence and conquest.
Certainly, Muslims kill more Muslims than they kill outsiders. They are neighbors. The fight is more personal. They are convenient targets for one another. The idealistic are always a lunatic fringe and when carried into the future by extremist views of any ideology, they will carry the day. For they have the passion and the will to force their views on the masses.
The Real Reason Barack Obama and the Democrats (as well as the GOP) pretend to care about “bringing back ‘our’ girls.”