See ta-nehisicoates.com for more lies and propaganda. The brilliant Dr. Coates can dissemble with the best of them.
I’ve personally never heard a credible case for reparations. Reparations for slavery is a scam. It is another example of the true goal of the Socialists and their divisive inclusivity. The American Left simply desires to vilify descendants in America of Western European origin and “Whiteness”.
I find it interesting that today’s racial activists have focused on the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Most of the Americas went untouched by England. The majority of slaves and the majority of the Americas was colonized by Spain. Somehow, these LatinX activists forget that the Spanish were the most heinous and brutal slave power in the Western Hemisphere. The Spanish committed genocide and murdered all who failed to adapt to Spanish culture and religion. This is why so many in Latin America are Catholic and why so many of the peoples of the Americas speak exclusively the Spanish language. Spain murdered the local cultures out of the locals leaving only the Spanish culture in place. Despite, this violence, Spain and “Latin-ness” escapes their condemnation of the LatinX activist community. They simply hate White people. Spain was so successful in destroying the African and the pre- Colonial Americas’ Indigenous people’s sense of self that most identify more with “Latin-ness” or being Spanish and speaking Spanish than they do with any identity that predated their ancestors enslavement. Yet, Latin American activists firmly believe that America, the United States, and England were the cause of all of their problems. To the Latin American, they’ve forgotten Spain existed. The White European, especially the English, are the great villain. If they were to stop and look inwards, they would come to understand that the Spanish culture which they celebrate is the great villain of their existence.
Yet, these activists, like Coates, Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib are not looking for truth. They need a villain. They must have a villain. They have chosen the White Man and “Whiteness”.
Without a villain, they can have no victims. Without victims, they cannot survive.
Until we stop creating victims, it’s gonna be really hard for America to survive.
If we do not stop creating victims and, instead, start empowering people, America will . not survive.
Reparations is just another victim scam of the Left. It’s another way for a few to enrich themselves from the many. It’s another way for lifetime “public servants” to continue to become multimillionaires.
Whilst the poor get poorer, the Public Servants get richer and richer.
When all of the tribes and kingdoms of Africa pay reparations to all of the ancestors of slaves whom they sold into slavery, I will consider thinking about the possibility of reparations.
If the supporters of this tax can trace the owners of slaves and the corporations which directly profited from slavery, I will support legislation creating a targeted reparations tax paid directly by those persons and their descendants who can be proven to be profiting from slavery or be in the possession of monies gained from slavery.
A general fund created from income taxes should never be considered. There is no proof that the general populace profited directly from slavery. That cannot be proven.
If it can be proven, show me that proof.
There is not one slave holder in my ancestry. Half of my family came to the United States in the 1880s. The other half was poor White folk who owned no slaves and was made destitute during the Great Depression. Before the Great Depression, they were merely poverty stricken. The only members of my family who fought and died during the American Civl War fought for the Union. My family paid all dues owed at that time and, yet, never owned slaves.
For what do I owe when it comes to enslavement of the African American. How am I more in debt to the ancestors of the enslaved African Americans than the Africans who originally sold them out of Africa?
How is the average American more indebted to the average African American than the original bondsmen in Africa who profited immensely and who still profit to this day?
No one can ever answer these questions. Instead, I get called a racist or tole that I have no empathy. Correct on that mark. I have no empathy for folks who just want “free” money stolen by the State from their fellow citizens.
Someone show me definitively how I, an uninvolved, non-affluent, White American am in debt to ancestors of slaves over 150 years after slavery ended at the cost of my ancestors lives when the Africans who enriched themselves by selling those ancestors in to slavery owe nothing.
If the answer involves “White Privilege”, the argument ends before it begins.
In the end, Reparations is naught but another leftist scam meant to keep African Americans on the Democratic Plantation. Same old Master. Same old Slaves.
1. I would say that I disagree with reparations. Primarily because all human groups have suffered from oppression. I do not see how Black Americans are unique in this regard.
2. There are peoples in Africa who benefitted and profited immensely from slavery. Spain and Portugal started the African Slave Trade to the Americas. The Islamic African slave trade to the East lasted hundreds of years more and stole millions more Africans away from that land. Other Africans, again, profited handsomely from this (See the Ashanti and Dahomey tribes among others).
2. To whom would reparations be paid? For instance, what of the descendants of Black Slaveowners? (see William Ellison of South Carolina) Do descendants of slave owners pay more? What of those of us who came to America more recently after the America Civil War or within the past decade?
3. The American Civil War was not fought over slavery. It was fought over the Right of a State to Secede from the Union. Secession was caused by the fear in the South that the election of Lincoln and the Republicans threatened their “peculiar institution.” The war did not have to be fought. Lincoln could have been peacemaker instead of King Warmaker. Lincoln chose war. Not the South.
4. US Grant’s memoirs are superior. If you haven’t read them. Do yourself the favor and pick it up. It is actually a free download online. Google “Memoirs of US Grant + .pdf”.
5. Race, itself, is a societal myth created by Europe in order to justify the African slave trade.
To be a Negro in this country and to be relatively conscious is to be in a rage almost all the time.
Bill O’Reilly has made the claim that the slaves who built the White House had it good…or better than other slaves.
It’s an idiot statement. Full of ignorance and I can see how the morons of the#Left can find it “offensive.”
However, all he’s done is used a favorite tactic of the Left.
The Theory of Cultural Relativity.
Sure…those slaves were treated better than other slaves.
Still, they were fuckin’ slaves.
I’d rather die than be a slave.
I don’t understand people who worked with the system of Slavery. I have more respect for Nat Turner and Frederick Douglas who fought against and escaped slavery. The rest were no better than the Viche’ French. They assisted and furthered the system which enslaved themselves. They were collaborators.
The descendants of slaves who are living today are descendants of former Slaves because their ancestors accepted their own enslavement and worked WITH the Slavers and Slave Masters.
Hell, most Black people in America are Christians because that hideous religion was used as a tool to diminish slave aggression and to erase the original cultures of the Slaves from their points of origin.
There is no aspect of slavery that should be celebrated. Not the Masters. Not the Slavers. Not the Slaves. The whole system was decrepit and evil. Those who allowed themselves to be slaves hold guilt as well. They should have fought. They should have refused to work. Instead, they acquiesced and worked with the evil.
There is no good form of Slavery. Half Slave, 20% Slave…you are still a slave. The African accepted slavery. They eventually became a cog in the system that kept it flowing. They procreated despite knowing that their children would become property for the Master and would perpetuate the Slave System.
Slavery was perpetuated as much by the Slave as the Plantation owner, the Master, the Slaver and the Whip Cracker.
Americans will do the same thing in November when they vote for a new master in selecting between Trillary and Hump.
Fucking Cowards all!
The South was decimated by Northern Aggression.
There are some families which profited from slavery that still exist out there, I’m sure. There aren’t many. The family of Anderson Cooper, the Vanderbilts, are one such family. I’m sure that the Duponts are another. The Bush Family is yet another. There are Black people themselves who fall into this category. Many American Black people are ancestors of former slave owners. Several of Barack Obama’s ancestors owned slaves. The Bush family is directly descended from a notorious slaver trader.
However, in the end, nearly every human being on earth is descended from Slaves and from Slave Owners.
Here is a good piece that I found which explains it a bit:
Immigrants from other country would be descendants from Ottoman slave owners or Indian slave-owners or Chinese slave-owners. The Bible and the Quran both clearly support slavery, so Jews and Muslims and Christians have all owned slaves at some point in history. The Spartans had slaves (helots outnumbered Spartans by a factor of 7). Most ancient Greek cities were about 30% slave population at least. Rome, Spain, Brittain, Russia, China, Australia. The term “Slav” which covers Slavic people is where the term slave comes from, as the Muslims expanded during the 7th and 8th century they imported a lot of Slavic slaves from Italian merchants. The mongols enslaved thousands in the 13th century, and Genghis Khan owned slaves and 1 in 200 men on earth are directly descended from him. The Barbary slave trade was comparable to the Atlantic Slave trade and it was active during some of the same time periods, this was North African pirates capturing slaves from all around the Mediterranean and completely enslaving entire stretches of coastal cities (enslaving ~1 million “European Christians”).
So the answer is: 100%. All humans are directly descended from slave-owners. And from slaves. At some point in history, one of our ancestors thought it was his right to own another one of our ancestors.
So, who pays who?
Black people’s ancestors most likely invented slavery as Africa is the origin of the first civilizations (or so I’ve been told many times). Many Black people are rightfully proud of this fact. They fail to recognize the full import of this fact, though. All who have followed from African Civilizations FOLLOWED THE EXAMPLE of African Civilizations. That means that all follow on civilizations learned SLAVERY from African Civilizations. They learned SUPREMACY from African Civilizations. They learned OPPRESSION from African Civilizations. They learned PATRIARCHALISM from African Civilizations. They learned War and to pillage, rape and conquer from African Civilizations.
Who pays who?
Reparations were given at one time already. It was called Freedom. It was also called Reconstruction. Then there was 40 Acres and a Mule. Of course, the government did not follow through completely on Sherman’s 40 Acres (and a mule) promise. However, some did get it. The South was destroyed and is only now recovering from the North’s aggressive invasion and destruction.
And again, Slavery has been a legal institution since antiquity. It was invented by the earliest civilizations. It was invented by PEOPLE OF COLOR. Whitey European only followed the example set by PEOPLE OF COLOR in the Great Civilizations of the Middle East and AFRICA.
I’ve never seen a descendant of the Slavers of Africa volunteer to pay reparations. Why should I volunteer to pay reparations. My family NEVER owned slaves. My line goes back to Switzerland, Scotland and Ireland. My Scot/Irish ancestors were dirt poor. We were adversely affected by slavery in that slavery took good jobs from us and devalued labor. My Swiss ancestors came over in the 1880s. They had absolutely nothing to do with slavery as it had been abolished for two decades by the time of their arrival.
What do I owe any slave or slave descendant? What does my family owe any slave or descendant of slaves.
The Irish were treated worse than slaves in their own homeland. That’s why my people fled. There was a time when my people were serfs who lived in mud pits IN THE GROUND and were forced to work the fields of their British Masters.
That’s why so many Irish fled to America even during the War of Northern Aggression where we were taken off the boat and conscripted directly into the Armies which fought the South and which eventually forced Lincoln to declare his Emancipation Proclamation.
Hundreds of Thousands of White Men died so that the Slaves could be free. Is their blood not enough? Now, some would tell those brave young men that their blood is worthless. These people want, a Century later, to take money from the descendants of Union Soldiers. You who have never known slavery feel that you deserve money for slavery.
In the end, the whole conversation is a lie. Reparations are just another form of diversion and division brought up from time to time to “get out the vote” for some Leftist who will never follow through. American fools with their hands out fall for it time and time again. This is why Bernie Sanders has brought it up again.
Why should a non-victim or partial victim or co-victim have to pay reparations for a crime, oppression, repression or suppression which they did not commit and against which they have or would have fought if they were alive at the time.
I have been a victim of racism on several occasions. I was jumped by 8 black men simply because I was White. I was lucky as I wasn’t as alone as they thought I was and several friends, including Black friends, came to my aid.
How can I blame Black people for beating my ass when Black people were among those who came to my aid?
It’s the same with Slavery.
African Slaves were sold into slavery by Africans. They were sold to Europeans, other Africans as well as to Arabs and Asians.
African Slaves were ultimately freed, in America, because White people fought to uphold the Union. That fight, ultimately, ended slavery for the African in America.
Ironically, Slavery is still legal in some African Nations. It still exists. IN AFRICA.
Somehow, Bill Clinton thought it wise, humanitarian…an American duty to apologize to Africa for African Slavery.
That never made sense to me.
“Africa, we apologize Slavery by which I mean we apologize for purchasing slaves from African Slave traders who enriched themselves off of the African Slave trade.”
And now others wish for those who are descendants of non-slave holding Americans to pay folks who were never enslaved but who were descendants of slaves some 150 odd years ago or more because Africans sold Africans in to slavery to peoples of other nations thereby creating for all future Americans a period of indentured servitude that is essentially unconstitutional by enslaving future generations of said Americans to the Federal State and their minions at the IRS who will be forced to pay off the debt created by said reparations.
Something about that makes zero sense to me.
Maybe it’s just me.