Coach K now out recruits John Calipari R E G U L A R L Y.
Cal will not make another Final Four.
But he is going to have a lot of recruits on Final Four & Championship squads…elsewhere.
Coach K now out recruits John Calipari R E G U L A R L Y.
Cal will not make another Final Four.
But he is going to have a lot of recruits on Final Four & Championship squads…elsewhere.
As occurred when John Calipari finished his first season with Kentucky, Draft Night was a huge success for Kentucky Basketball Athletes. Along with that occurred what was become an annual affair. Pat Forde railed against Kentucky Coach John Calipari’s insistence that College Basketball be not only centered on a successful National Championship run but a successful night at the NBA Draft. Calipari wants the players he recruits to have success in moving on to a successful career in the NBA. Pat Forde thinks this is a bad idea. Pat Forde thinks that this is bad for College Basketball.
Pat Forde seems to think that College Basketball should not be about the players themselves but about everything else. Pat Forde seems to begrudge the Athletes any success or monetary gain themselves. All the while, Pat Forde’s whole financial existence is predicated upon College Basketball athletes.
College Sports Columnists can make money off of College Basketball. The Coaches whom Pat Forde admires such as Rick Pitino and Bobby Petrino can rake in millions off of College Basketball. Mark Emert and the NCAA can make Billions off of College Basketball. Pat Forde, himself, makes hundreds of thousands of dollars each year off of College Basketball.
However, College Athletes are supposed to subsume their own financial well being for the greater
good bottom line of the NCAA, College Basketball and College Sports Columnists.
Pat Forde loves nothing more than to crank yank John Calipari for not winning Championships with “the most talented roster” in College Basketball. Talent doesn’t always work out to the best team on any given night. Potential sometimes takes time. Some talent, such as Anthony Davis & Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, can make the leap from High School to College and reach the highest potential. Others take more time. One cannot tell this to Pat Forde. If Calipari has the most talent, he should have the best team. He should win the NCAA Tournament. We shouldn’t even play the games. We should just crown that team whom Pat Forde has deemed the most talented. Certainly…
Pat Forde rips on Calipari each year after Draft Night. Of course, he let that animosity slide to the background in 2012 when Kentucky won the National Title. One has to wonder how Pat Forde held in all of that hatred. It must have killed him. I suppose he consoled himself by ghost writing a hagiography about the Philandering Pitino and Petrino Brothers.
Calipari says that Draft Night is important to Kentucky. Kentucky is a Player’s First Program. To Pat Forde that is anathema to College Basketball. Talented men (and one assumes women) should put the NCAA first. They should be students first. They should be everything first except human beings who wish to put their talents to use at the highest level of their chosen profession. God forbid that these human beings wish to profit themselves from their talents. These particular children of God should stay in the NCAA for four years and allow the NCAA to profit immensely while they themselves “earn” a degree that is mostly worthless and as they themselves take all of the risk upon themselves.
For it is a given that if a talented athlete suffers a “career” ending injury, the NCAA will throw them under the bus.
The morality of it all! Calamity of Calamities!
A Black Teenager or early Twenty Something using his talents to enrich himself. We can’t have that. That’s bad for the NCAA. Because it is bad for this to happen:
John Calipari accomplishes his prized goal: watching Kentucky players get drafted
That is the Column Title to the latest Pat Forde hit piece aimed at John Calipari.
Below are to more gems from the keyboard of the most hateful human in College Sports:
Fortunately he has educated the Kentucky fans on the miniscule nature of the national title mission. They now see the bigger mission: helping guys like Karl-Anthony Towns get drafted No. 1, because he surely wouldn’t have had a chance at being the No. 1 pick if he’d been coached for six months by a lesser man and smaller stone than Calipari. Imagine if Towns had made the monumental mistake of playing for Mike Krzyzewski, Bill Self or Roy Williams – he’d probably be an undrafted free agent.
Who said winning and getting your players drafted are mutually exclusive? Duke won it all and had three first-round picks Thursday night. Wisconsin played in the title game and had two in the top 20. Yet neither Krzyzewski nor Bo Ryan feel compelled to sell their fan base on the dubious premise that the draft is a higher goal than a national championship.
Apparently, winning is everything to Pat Forde. It is a zero sum game. Either Calipari wins the National Championship each year or he is a failure. Thus sayeth Pat Forde.
The irony! Oh, the irony!
This is the same attitude which Pat Forde uses as a weapon against the University of Kentucky Basketball Fan Base. When Kentucky fans were upset that Tubby Smith wasn’t getting to the Final Four much less the National Title game, columnists such as Pat Forde ripped into them. Kentucky fans were unrealistic. “No Coach can get to the Final Four or win a Title as much as Kentucky fans desire.” Kentucky fans were crazy. Kentucky fans were/are racist. Kentucky fans were bad people. Kentucky fans chased off a good Black Man because he was Black. These were all characterization made by Pat Forde and the National Sports Media. Yet, this is the exact same expectations that Pat Forde seems to have for John Calipari. Now, who is being unreasonable.
John Calipari has had an amazing run of success in the NCAA at Kentucky. He has 4 Final Fours, one Championship and a string of successful players transition to the NBA. His players have remained academically eligible. His players have been active in the community. There have been very few off the court issues. His four year players have graduated. And, yes, he has had Three (3) Number One NBA Draft Selections since 2010.
Of course, all has not been perfect. Aaron Harrison was not drafted. Daniel Orton was Daniel Orton. A couple of guys have transferred out for playing time or because they did not fit in well at the program.
Overall, Kentucky Basketball under John Calipari has been a smashing success and many attached to the program have gone on to success in the NBA and elsewhere.
I’m not certain why Pat Forde has such a problem with this…unless he just hates John Calipari.
I’ve always been curious as to the difference between Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and millions of other human beings who stop short of graduation at Universities to fulfill their goals and pursue their dreams.
Perhaps, it’s because so many “One and Done” Basketball players are Black and Whitey in America can’t stand to see a Black human being shorting the byzantine “education” system which they themselves cannot short.
There’s that old race card. Doh!
Seriously, though, why is it a “crime” for a person who wishes to pursue a career (albeit a short career) as a professional Basketball athlete to do so without obtaining a College Degree? What about Basketball requires a 4 year degree? Nothing that I can see. A more mind boggling aspect of this asinine argument is that most college degrees are worthless while pursuit of said worthless scrap of paper is creating more debt for Americans than home ownership. Yet, an athlete who has the opportunity to earn millions of dollars over a 3 to 15 year period is supposed to desire a college degree so much so that he (or she) delays earning said millions in order to obtain said worthless scrap of paper while putting himself at risk of injury and a loss of possible future earnings. Is that insane or am I not seeing some “big picture?”
Also, why is it not a viable course for these persons, if they should wish to acquire/earn a degree, that they not return to college AFTER they have finished their career as an NBA or other league professional athlete?
This seems to me to be naught but the “hating” of untalented people upon those persons blessed with the talents necessary to pursue the NBA profession.
No one seems to care all that much when Baseball athletes go to the league straight out of HS or two years out of College.
No one cared when Tiger Woods quit Stanford to pursue his goal of competing professionally at Golf.
No one cared/cares that Bill Gates didn’t finish at MIT. Same for Steve Jobs.
The only gnashing of teeth and faux concern seems to be for Basketball athletes.
This seems odd to me.
Then we have Calipari who is teaching/coaching/mentoring/advising some of these top kids on their way to their professional goals. In any other endeavor, Calipari would be seen in a positive light. Not so, though, because he is doing so with athletes who wish to pursue a goal of playing basketball in the NBA.
I find this odd. I find it hypocritical. I find it lunatic.
But…you guys go on gnashing your teeth, pulling out your hair, flagellating your backs and lamenting to the heavens the horrible sin of coaching young men and assisting those who wish to pursue the goal of reaching the NBA.
Cal has a fairly decent track record of placing these top recruits into the NBA. No other coach comes close.
But Cal is a villain for helping these guys reach their goals.
Only in White America is it possible to help folks and be vilified for having done so.
Kentucky Wildcats Prevail in a close one.
Someday someone is going to have to explain to me why wanting Kentucky Basketball to do well each year is a bad thing.
Why discussing it is a bad thing???
How wanting to be entertained by a team…a real team…how wanting that team to come together under the tutelage of a Coach who is paid millions of dollars to field a great team of well coached athletes and excel…how the desire to see that team and that coach succeed makes one SPOILED???
Someday, someone, somewhere will have to explain these things to me.
Coach Cal expects to be paid his millions each year. Is he spoiled? Guys like Archie Goodwin and Alex Poythress expect to be paid millions of dollars starting next year to PLAY A GAME. Yes, they will be paid millions….MILLIONS to play a game. Should I type that again? Well, Poythress probably won’t make it to the NBA because he has no heart and no real game that I can discern but you never know. There have been bigger NBA Draft Busts.
Kentucky Basketball pays Coach Cal millions each year to coach a game. Yes…John Calipari is paid millions to coach…A GAME!
But it’s the fans who are spoiled…
I’m not expecting a UCLA like run of 10 or 11 Championships.
I do, however, expect that a guy who is being paid THE NUMBER ONE SALARY in all of College Basketball to consistently field a team that can ACTUALLY make it to the NCAA Tournament.
I’m not certain how that makes me spoiled.
Is Coach Cal still getting paid or not? Did they lower his pay? Is Cal giving back a part of his salary because the team that he has fielded this year will more than likely NOT make the NCAA Tournament.
I do not find it unfathomable that a Coach being paid millions to coach a game and with a #1 Recruiting class won’t win the NCAA Tournament. I do find it unfathomable that Kentucky likely will not even be invited to play in the NCAA Tournament.
NOT INVITED to the Tournament. The NCAA Tournament. Not a low seed. Not a bad seed. No! Entirely left out of the NCAA Tournament.
The whole reason that College Basketball exists as a modern experience.
THE NCAA TOURNAMENT.
Cal still gets paid his 3 or 4 million dollars but the fans are spoiled.
And oh, by the way, fans actually pay to watch the Game/UK basketball. The only piece of the equation that actually spends their hard earned money to go to the games — THE FAN. These are the people about whom the mouth pieces on TV and others complain. The fans are the persons whom the talking heads call spoiled because they critique a game in essentially the same manner as the aforementioned talking heads.
It’s the fans who pay to watch the game who are spoiled. Not the instant millionaires. Not the Millionaire Coaches. Not the players who will be coddled (BY THOSE SAME FANS) through most of their lives because they played at UK. Not guys like Dick Vitale who have made millions off of College Basketball and it’s fans. None of those guys are spoiled. It’s the fan who actually shells out his hard earned cash who is spoiled because he actually expects a guy like Alex Poythress or Ryan Harrow to play the game like he gives a damn.
Someday someone somewhere will have to explain this to me.
Here is where I watched the 2012 NCAA Tournament.
Yes, I watched the whole tournament with a bunch of Kentucky fans in a Dining Facility on Camp Alamo right off of Jalalabad Road just a few miles outside of Kabul in Afghanistan.
But what do I know. I’m just a spoiled fan.
”There’s no way we should lose to Georgia.”
BUT THEY DID!
That’s how the season has gone. There’s no way that Kentucky should be this bad.
But they are…
I have a buddy who is always tagging me with comments about the Kentucky “Mildcats.” This year, the tag fits like it was tailor made.
I’m not buying the “they’re young” excuse. When I was the same age as Goodwin and Poythress, I was in the Army. When I screwed up or didn’t give effort or when I didn’t learn to do things correctly, NCOs got in my ass.
They didn’t tell me; “Dave, it’s ok. You’re young. You’ll learn over time. Here, have an ice cream.”
They got in my ass. All up one side and down the other. They brought pain. They worked me from sun up to sun down.
There was no “youth” excuse.
This isn’t high school anymore. This is life.
Suck it up and get your shit together OR fail. It’s all up to them.
Excuse me if I don’t feel sorry for these spoiled “kids.”
To all of the haters!
Listen…Learn…and then please shut the hell up!
Why do we expect more from Student Athletes than we expect from the general student population?
Only 53% of the general student population graduates within 6 years of entering college. Only 36% graduate within 4 years of entering College. The average College Student graduates in 6 years if he graduates at all.
If a talented mathematician departs school after one year for employment with Google or Microsoft, we applaud him.
Why is one path a mockery and the other a triumph?
A Career is a Career.
The one difference that I can see is the race component. If all Student Athletes leaving early for the NBA were white and all talented mathematicians leaving early were black would we be having these conversations?
The other difference that I can see is that Student Athletes (especially the highly talented Student Athlete) are basically indentured servants who make the NCAA and the Media millions each year.
I would venture to say that these arguments do not have the best interest of the student athlete at heart. They are concerned about profits and the bottom line.
Why is a bad thing for the NBA to require some college for an entry level player? Nearly every other Profession requires some level/form of training/schooling/certification prior to considering applicants for hire.
A Lawyer must have a certain level of schooling and pass a bar exam. Medical Professionals all must have some level of schooling or certification. Computer Programmers must have some level of certification.
If the NBA wishes for it’s prospective employees to have one year or two years of college, how is that any different.
Are Bill Gates and Steve Jobs Computer Geek Mercenaries? Are the people who exit college early to work for Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc mercenaries for hire?
If I were David Stern, I would work towards at least three years and I’d work out a deal with the NBA for the NBA Draft to be treated as an Internship.
The NBA and NFL are Professions in the exact same way that becoming a Doctor, Lawyer, Programmer or Pharmaceutical Rep are Professions.
Treat them in the same manner. That is the right thing to do.
This silly use of the terms “One and Done” and Mercenary is moronic. It’s infantile. The NCAA is the problem. Not the NBA. Why treat the NBA as if it’s a drug cartel? Why treat contact with the professionals who are involved in the Sports Profession as if they are drug dealers?
The traditionalists rant and rave that the “One and Done” rule is ruining College Basketball. They complain that it has turned the NCAA into a minor league for the NBA. This is exactly how Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft, the Supreme Court and Wall Street treat the University System. Why is this bad for Athletes but good for Doctors and Lawyers and Money Market Managers and such?
Treat the NBA as the Profession and Business that it is. Problem solved.
Kentucky brought home #8 in 2012. It’s been a 14 year wait.
The fans slogged through a decade of TLT excuses, debacles and “almost” after “almost.” 2 more years of the hard drinking, tyrannical imbecility that was BCG. Finally Coach Cal built a team that could bring it home.
Two Final Fours in two years and a National Championship.
Anthony Davis was named Final Four MOP. He also swept the National Player of the Year Awards. That was a first for a Kentucky Player.
Still, the haters are out there in droves. Waiting in the wings for their chance to bring Kentucky down. It’s not gonna happen, though.
GO BIG BLUE!!!
They said it couldn’t be done. No team starting all underclassmen and dominated by Frosh Stars could win a National Title. Carmelo Anthony was a fluke. He had Senior Leadership.
Others said that if Kentucky won with this “Pro” laden team that it would be a Collegiate apocalypse.
Funny, no one thinks it’s the end of the world when (predominantly) white guys leave College early for careers at Google, Microsoft or Apple.
Does Mark Emmert think of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs as One and Doners?
I don’t understand all of the lamentations and gnashing of teeth by the die hard traditionalists. Students attend University to prepare them for a career. The NBA is a career for these guys. If a computer geek or a mathematician is recruited out of school for his talents, no one complains. I guess that’s a more valid career path than the NBA or NFL. I don’t see it that way. Apparently, others do.
John Calipari takes talented athletes and prepares them for the professional world. His kids go on to earn accolades and awards at the next level. Is that not what a good college professor is supposed to do for his students? Calipari develops their talents into marketable skills. Skills that enable them to enter the marketplace of their profession with an advantage over students who learn the game from other coaches.
Because Cal does this and does so unapologetically, he’s a smarmy, greasy salesman. I think it makes him an honest broker of future marketability for kids whose talent lies in the sport of basketball. He’s honest. He says come play with me and I’ll teach you how to excel at the college level and prepare you for the Professional level. What is wrong with that? Should he be like Coach K and demand that kids delay their professional debut even though they are ready to enter their chosen field of endeavor. That would be the definition of smarmy and greasy to me. Coach K is righteously indignant when a kid goes Pro before he gives his permission. Coach Cal informs his men of their options and advises them based on the best information available at the time.
The NCAA makes millions off of these kids. It is a matter of course that the NCAA wants to maximize the potential pay off on the marketability of the “student-athlete.” The NCAA is not interested in what’s right for the Athlete. The NCAA is interested in making more money by marketing big time Collegiate Star Athletes. That’s the real concern behind the laments and the teeth gnashing.
If an Athlete is ready to go Pro, there should be no more reason to hold him back than there was reason to hold back Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. The NCAA and their silly NBA Draft deadlines are full of stale, last century thought processes. These people and their media instigators need to join the present.
Anthony Davis is ready to go Pro. If he stays at UK for one more year, it’s a decision that the NCAA should respect. If Anthony Davis decides to enter the NBA Draft after one year, the NCAA should give it no more thought than if a Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or a Mark Zuckerburg leaves school to start a business. It’s the same thing.
Risk/Reward. There is too much risk in staying in College for an Athlete like Anthony Davis. He’s ready. The NBA thinks he’s ready. The NBA is his prospective employer. They know whether or not they wish to hire an Athlete or not. It’s a decision between the employer and the potential employee. The NCAA should back out of it.
In my opinion, a player should be able to enter the draft, attend the draft camps at NBA expense and, if that player is not drafted, he should be able to re-enter college as a Student Athlete. That is exactly what these guys are. They are student ATHLETEs. They are studying under a Coach who is teaching/coaching them on the principles and skills of entering into a Professional Career as an ATHLETE in the NFL, NBA, MLB, MLS or any of a multitude of other sports. The NBA Draft should be treated as an internship. Nothing more and nothing less.
A law student interns. A medical student interns. Business Management Majors intern. Some of these students have paid internships. Some of the brighter and more talented students enter into internships that have perks. Many of these students who take these internships are on scholarships. If a law student takes an internship with a prestigious Law Firm, they aren’t ripped off of scholarship status. That internship is seen as a positive. Conversely, if a Student on an Athletic Scholarship enters the NBA Draft and attends Draft Camps or Skill Camps, they’re punished for doing so.
National Collegiate Athletic Association. They are supposed to be helping these kids enter into their chosen Profession in the most advantageous position possible. That’s not what they do, though. The NCAA does everything in it’s power to keep it’s Students AWAY from their Profession of choice. They do their best to make a student ATHLETE enter into his/her chosen Profession as blind as possible. The NCAA attempts to bully student ATHLETEs into staying in school so that the NCAA can profit from their presence and skill sets. Instead of joining these kids in their sojourn from student to Professional, the NCAA sets out to do it’s best to keep them blind and distanced from their chosen profession.
The NCAA should encourage kids to enter into agreements with Agents so that their student ATHLETES can benefit from persons who know the business. Instead, the NCAA drives agents underground and keeps it’s student ATHLETES from learning the details of the business until moments before they enter into their chosen careers. This is a ridiculous standard. A ridiculous procedure. The NCAA is part of the problem in setting these kids up for failure when they finally enter the Professional World of Athletics.
Kentucky just made the witch hunt a little harder, though. Calipari embraces the system. Instead of tying blinders around his kids eyes, he tries to enlighten them as to the practices and standards of the Profession to which they aspire. For this, he is vilified. He’s hated. He’s hunted.
It’s a ridiculous circus is the NCAA. A grand joke. All for the love of profit. And they call Calipari dirty. Get real. The NCAA is the problem.
Understand, we don’t recruit a young player saying that there is no question he’s a one-and-one player. We don’t know! Are you telling me that we knew Eric Bledsoe had a chance out of high school to go in the first round after one year? If they tell you that, they’re lying. Those same people also said our three freshman starters from last season would leave after one year. Two came back because they wanted to win a national championship and the other one that left had a 4.0 grade-point average and 60 credit hours.
I tell every player that we recruit that I don’t have a magic wand. At the end of the year, we’ll see where everything is, we’ll give you the information, and you and your family make a choice to stay or come back. I would love to coach all of these guys for four years and have them earn a college degree in four years, but if they have an opportunity to reach their dreams, I will not be the person to hold them back, nor will I let anybody at this university or in my program do it.
~ John Calipari
I don’t see Cal pushing players out the door. I see him evaluating their development and their potential earnings and advising them according to the possibilities inherent therein.
Would Knight have gone higher in the draft after one year. Would Cuz have gone higher with one more year. Doubtful.
Knight maintained a high GPA throughout High School. If memory serves, his mother was a teacher. I doubt he’d have gotten away with slouching off on his studies with such being the case.
The One and Done System is self perpetuating. In order to get the most talent players, Cal or any coach must exhibit the ability to get these kids to the next level in the most expeditious manner. Holding them back or being unable to develop their games would be disadvantageous to Kentucky and Calipari.
Cal misspoke only slightly when he made the statement that the Wall/Cuz/Bledsoe/Orton/PPat Draft Night was the greatest night in Kentucky History. That night will and has lead to an ongoing influx of talent to Kentucky Basketball that should result in a National Title. At least one National Title.
Cal does not have to pay players to come to UK. The most talented, the more diligent and the more intelligent players will come to UK because they know that it is *THE* path to the next level and that hard work will pay off with a greater pay day than any booster could possibly offer them for a one or two year stay at some other school.
With that in mind, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Muhammad and Noel here next year.
The kids that want to play with the best and win are the kids that are going to come to Kentucky. We’ve seen that in this last class. These kids came together because they want to win.
Some of these kids will actually stay so as to increase their long term potential. That is what the intelligent kids will take into consideration. The selfish, impatient kids should go elsewhere and probably will be encouraged to do so. Such has been the pattern that I’ve noticed since Calipari has joined the Kentucky family.
Calipari wants to win. As Wooden and other Coaching Greats have made quite plain in book after book, talent wins. Well prepared talent wins more. Experience is good if a coach can get it, but, talent bests experience. This team is proving that right now.
Cal’s challenge is to ensure that these kids are prepared for the games and prepared for their futures. If he does that, UK will win and the kids will win which will bring in more and more talent which will bring more and more wins.
GO BIG BLUE!!!
Terrence Jones. Out with friends in the wee hours of the morning the night before the first game of the season. Alleged to have had a drink or two (even though he was underage). The night before the first game of the season. I was told by a gal who “knows” TJ that he was calling her at 3AM the night before the UCONN Final Four Game. This behavior goes hand in had with that nonsense.
TJ is not JUST an average College Student. He’s an Elite Athlete on an Elite College Basketball Team. A team whose goal is to win a National Championship. That’s a lot of responsibility. Carrying that load this year has the potential for a huge pay off if Jones carries it well. If this kind of irresponsible behavior continues, those goals will not be met.
This is one of my few complaints about Cal at UK. His teams lack discipline. They lack focus at times. At key times, during key games.
If he truly wants that National Championship, he needs to rectify this. Immediately.
Sources say Jones was found at a location along Alexandria Drive and was “slightly under the influence with alcohol.” Jones indicated he left the scene, “hoping that Coach Calipari would not find out.”
University officials said they have no comment on whether Jones, who is underage, was drinking.
I don’t care if Jones was drinking or not. He’s supposed to be the leader on this team. He’s supposed to be an elite athlete focused on achieving a goal. Being out at 230AM the night before the first game of the season is a complete lack of focus. That action is a total disregard for the rest of the team. This is not the example that Jones should be setting for the Frosh on the team. Period. Jones needs to get his act together. Jones is not just a college student out partying. I don’t want to hear that excuse. If Jones didn’t think that he was doing anything wrong, he would not have fled the scene of the accident in the hopes that Coach Cal would not find out. Obviously, TJ knew that he was in the wrong.
Get yer shit together Jones. You too, Cal. WTF!
As an afterthought, Wall and Cousins were supposedly seen out late the night before the West Virginia game. That team had an off shooting night against West Virginia. Anyone see a pattern here?
Coincidence that both teams had off shooting nights during those games. Fatigue, maybe? Ya think!