Islamic Empires stole all of the land that they now claim in the Middle East. Islam is a Colonial Occupier.
Palestine has never existed as a State.
It was a Province of Rome, of the Ottoman Empire, of other Arab Islamic and Turko/Kurdish Islamic Empires.
Palestine has always been a tool of Empires.
That is the funny part.
All of the ignorant Leftist fools who are against Imperialism and Colonialism have championed THE longest existing tool of Empire still extant.
Palestine was created by Rome to punish the Jews. The Roman Empire in the East ultimately fell to the Islamic EMPIRE. Various Islamic Empires rose and fell over the centuries after the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire. They all kept the Palestine name for that Province.
That province was NEVER a State. It was never a Nation.
Yet, most Leftist Social Justice Warriors are too stupid to realize that they’ve been duped.
Israel has committed no crimes that every other Nation now extant and in history have not committed. By virtue of being American, Syrian, Egyptian, Iraqi, Chinese, Russian, English, British, Canadian, Mexican, Irish, Scottish or any other member of any other Nation-State, you are guilty of the same crimes of which you accuse Israel.
Except…the Western Social Justice Warrior pretends that they are better because they are willfully ignorant of your own history.
Show me one Islamic nation now or in history that has not committed the same “crimes” as Israel. You will have to lie to do so.
Centuries from now after the break up of the US, there will be some dumbass that points to signs and refuses to understand that Indiana was never actually a country. He’ll point to signs and say; “See! It existed!” And ignorant people will say; “Hell Yes! Indiana deserves to exist.”
Liberals, Leftists, Conservatives, Neo-Cons, Neo-Liberals, Islamists, Pan-Islamists and everyone else concerned keep speaking of a long awaited Islamic Reformation.
Actually, that Reformation has already began and is ongoing. Except that Islam is going from a slumbering megalith to an extremist controlled ideology.Islam began a long sleep sometime in the 1700-1800 era. It went near comatose after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Two things occurred to awaken Islam:
Conflict in the Middle East predates Islam by thousands of years. This region is a crossroads of history. Traditions of hate, violence and war date back to before the Greeks and Persians to the earliest stories of the pre-Phoenician peoples. Expecting “Peace in the Middle East” One may as well search for the burial place of Genghis Khan. Find one; you may find the other.
None of this is to say that the United States or Britain is to blame for Islamic Extremism. Islam was born in blood. It will die in blood. Islam was spread via conquest. Muslims and Liberals love to deny this. However, the Islamic Empire spread from Medina to Andalusia (Spain) in an amazingly short period of time. None of these territories invited Mohammad, Abu Bakr or Uthman into their lands. Islam did not quietly knock and ask for admittance. Islam rode at the head of a world devouring empire. People “submitted” to Allah not because they suddenly saw the light. They converted or “reverted” because it was the prudent thing to do. If you were given the choice between conversion, death or high taxes and second/third class citizenship in your own lands, most would choose to convert.
Islam is a violent Abrahamic religion. All three of the religions spawned by Abraham are violent and full of blood lust — Xtianity, Judaism and Islam.
The Extremist Muslims are following the path of previous Muslims including that of Mohammad. Denial of this is denial of historic reality.
Islam is violent. It also knows peace. However, like Xtianity, the majority of the religions is about purifying the world and making it ready for God/Allah via force.
Same God, same violence, same hatred for the non-believer. Muslims choose which path to follow. Those who choose violence choose that path regardless of outside influence. They would choose that path even if the US and Britain had never existed as neither existed when the Islamic Empire first invaded Europe, Africa and Asia.
Nations become Nations because people fight, die and, eventually, succeed in taking the land upon which those nations are built.
The #refugees have no right to the land or resources of other people.
Isn’t the argument of the #Palestinians that Israel had no right to invade, occupy and steal the land and resources of the Levant?
Oh….you’re all hypocrites? I got it now.
This current set of refugees are running from war and violence in the exact same manner as the Palestinians ran in ’48, ’56 and ’67. Will they demand a “right of return” as well?
1. Saudi Arabia
8. Muslim Brotherhood
9. Puppets of #s 4 and 7
12. Remaining ME/CA Islamic Nations.
13. Everyone else.
Saudi Arabia exports more terrorism in the form of its decrepit Wahhabi creed than all of the others combined.
Iran is a chia pet by comparison.
The Great Triumvirate of the United States of America, China and Russia have terrorized the world with impunity since the close of the Second World War.
France, the UK and Germany are all too willing accomplices to any and every US adventure that comes down the pike.
Iran selectively defends the Shi’a community via the IRG and the Party of God (Hezbollah). They imported Hezbollah to Lebanon. They support factions inside of Saudi Arabia, the Houthis in Yemen as well as other places. Iran will also selectively support Sunni terrorists otherwise known as Wahhabist Saudi Arabian created scum as suits their needs.
Israel terrorizes the Palestinians and occasionally Southern Lebanon. Israel has attacked nations such as Iraq and Iran preemptively.
The Palestinians terrorize Israel and their own people. The Palestinians attempted to depose the King of Jordan. They’ve also raised a bit of hell in Lebanon and Egypt. There is also the actions of the PLO under Arafat and assorted other madmen.
The other nations of the Middle East and Central Asia mostly terrorize their own people. Only occasionally sending out State sponsored Wahhabists and assorted other misfits to further their political ends.
Pakistan created the Taliban out of the anti-Soviet Insurgency, orphans from that war and the Wahhabist Madrassahs that were established by the Saudis. They were established, equipped and used as a hedge against Indian influence in Afghanistan and as well as a buffer against Iranian influence.
Yes, the world is fucked up.
Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, quoted in the New York Times in 1948:
In 1948, the Arabs were not willing to allow an independent Israeli (Jewish) State. The Arabs wanted Arabs to rule the area as part of a Muslim Nation. Once the war kicked off after the Israelis declared independence, the Arabs attacked.
There was no mention of a Palestinian Nation. The Arabs immediately began to speak of massacre and running the Jews into the sea and turning the Mediterranean Red with the blood of the Jews. Prior to the Balfour and Sykes-Picot agreements, the Arab-Jewish relations were fairly calm and agreeable. Once the Brits pulled their various deceits, the bottom of the amity barrel dropped out into a pit of poisonous acrimony between Arab Muslim and Jew.
Once the Jews committed to Independence, war was all but inevitable. Golda Meir spoke with the Jordanian King and asked if amity was possible. He said no. Israel declared Independence nonetheless. The Arabs expected the Jews to allow themselves to be ruled by Muslims. They expected the Jews to be satisfied as subjects with little to no say about their governance. The Jews refused to accept this.
The Arabs refused to allow Israel to become a State without a bloodletting. The Arabs maintained a war of attrition against Israel until 1982 with the realization that Israel had a finite population. The Palestinian Statehood question only came about AFTER the sound defeat in 1967. Prior to that, the only Palestinian State was Trans-Jordan now called Jordan. (The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan)
Arafat was posted in Palestine as the Head of he PLA. He was theretofore an Officer in the Egyptian Army. He maintained a home in El Arish until he died most likely from HIV/AIDS. (I’ve seen his home). The Arabs warred upon the Israelis constantly from 1948 until 1980s when Sadat made piece with Begin. Whilst the peace between Israel and Egypt was being crafted, the PLO began its storied history of terrorism and general political murder of civilians.
There has been nearly 70 years of constant war between the Israelis and some body of Arabs. Yet, folks act as though they are surprised that the Israelis see the Palestinians as inhuman enemies. The Palestinian State is merely one more iteration of Arab animosity towards the Jews. It is a continuation of previous hostilities to the Jews/Israelis.
It is exceedingly difficult to view a people who have been trying to destroy you as humans. For many Israelis, they were born into war and have never known anything else. They have been attacked constantly in one form or another since May of 1948. And it surprises so many that a people who more than likely collectively suffer from PTSD would act insane and not give a damn about the state of the Palestinian people.
It has been recognized internationally that Khmers and Afghans suffer from collective cultural PTSD. I’m quite certain that both Israel and Palestine suffers similarly.
So you would have fought during World War II but not Nam, Korea or Iraq and Afghanistan.
Why did Japan attack Pearl Harbor?
Britain and France declared war on Germany because Germany invaded Poland. That was the pretense at any rate.
Japan attacked Pearl Harbor after America had engaged in a systematic effort to deny the Empire of Japan the resources necessary to build their Nation and Empire.
By the end of World War II, Poland and all of Eastern Europe was in the hands of a greater evil than Hitler could ever have hoped to represent. That evil being the Soviet Union.
Soviet Communism which later morphed into Maoist Communism took China.
Communism also swept through Southeast Asia.
The end result of World War II was that the West fought Japan and Germany in order to hand over their Empires to the Soviet Union.
World War II was a direct cause of the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Cold War and attributed to the rise of Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is the cause of 90% of the Islamic Fundamentalism on this Globe. Islamic Fundamentalism is the root of Islamic Terrorism.
If there were no Saudi Arabia, there would exist no taliban, no ISIS, no al Qaeda, no Khorasan and so on and so forth.
Fundamentalist Shi’a Iran can also be traced to poor decision making based on the the Cold War anti-Communist paranoia that haunted the West from 1945 through the end of the Soviet Union circa 1991.
The Arab-Israeli Conflict can be traced back to World Wars 1 and 2.
World War II also gave us the CIA and the NSA via Cold War paranoia.
You can research any and all of this with a simple google search.
I’m not seeing how World War II was “the good war.” It was an asinine war prompted by the American Banking conglomeration.
World War II was not the good war. It was a war like any other only on a global scale. It put the globe to the flame and destroyed millions of lives and billions of dollars of property.
America profited from the outcome immensely which drove our recovery out of the Great Depression and into the boom years of the 50s and 60s.
It was as much an elective war for the United States of America as Polk’s Mexican War or LBJ’s Vietnam War or Bush’s Iraq War or Obama’s wars in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia.
I can find no difference in the actions of Barack Obama and George W. Bush. Yet, Democrats support Obama and condemn Bush. They are both guilty of war crimes. Both guilty of circumventing the US Constitution.
Obama is using Bush/Cheney tactics and politics to subvert the National Will and to circumvent the Constitution. He has lied. He has fear mongered. He has used WMD. He has reused the Bush Act of 2002. Yet, Democrats support him.
How does any of this make sense?
These same democrats condemn Israel for targeting civilians. Yet, Obama is targeting civilians and has done so since he became President. How does Obama differ from Netanyahu?
People complaining about American conquest and treatment of the “Native American,” PLEASE! Just stop. This is the history of mankind. Only since World War II have we stopped the conquest and taking of land for ourselves.
I believe Israel (67), China (50s/Tibet) and Pakistan (Balochistan/49 to present day) are the last nations to take lands via conquest. Iraq tried it in the 80s but were immediately expelled by Iran. Lebanon is currently being occupied by Hezbollah which is tantamount to Iranian occupation.
Both China and Pakistan are currently and have been in contention with India over territories. China is starting to stake claims in territories that are currently in possession of nations such as Japan and the Philippines.
Pakistan and Afghanistan are in contention over the Durand Line.
Mexico and America are having extreme border issues.
Scotland wants to opt out of the UK.
The Kurds want their own nation with inclusion of territory currently possessed/claimed by Turkey, Iran and Iraq.
Iran will start making claims soon on lands occupied by the Russians.
ISIS is currently taking lands via conquest that were Syrian and Iraqi. If they grow powerful enough, they will turn towards Mekkah and possibly Iran. They’ll leave Israel for later.
Of course, there is Israel. They occupy the West Bank and Gaza as well as maintain control over an “autonomous” Arab/Islamic thugocracy in Gaza. They’ve occupy lands that are claimed by Syria as well.
I see occurring more and more in the near future conflicts over territory as the World grows more politically chaotic.
Without looking it up, I believe that the last time that America took lands by conquest was at the conclusion of the Spanish American War when we were “given” the Philippines, Guam, Wake Island, etc.
Basically, the Colonists or White Man, as labelled by Western Liberals, did nothing that the Indians (Native or aboriginal) Americans had not done themselves. There were Empires and Kingdoms in the Americas prior to the advent of European “exploration,” conquest and colonization of the Americas.
The Aztecs, Incans, Mayans, Anasazi, Pueblo and every other tribe, confederation and/or “State” in the Americas did not spring up out of the earth in the exact spot where they became the dominant political entity. They took those lands from others.
In my opinion, gnashing one’s teeth over the “sins” of others which you yourself have committed is a bit hypocritical.
That said, I look to see more conquest in the future as liberalism and the touchy feely politics of America and Western Europe recedes with the fall from influence brought on by our liberalism and “guilt” in general, and the waning of our economic superpower status due to the rise of China, India and the conflicts with Russia and Iran as well as the negative impacts of our constant and consistent incompetent meddling throughout the world. America is overreaching and it is going to hurt us in the near future. With idiot leaders such as Bush and Obama, I see nothing changing and our path is clear and downward in a dizzying spiral.
The primary power of the globe for these past 70 years has been the “petrodollar.” Russian, Iran, Scotland (if she separates successfully) as well as Venezuela are willing and even eager to sell their natural resources in other currencies as well as through a barter system. This is the center of the conflicts evolving between the US and these nations.
If Scotland successfully secedes from the UK AND decides to go off the reservation (petrodollar), look for the US to start pressuring them and calling them rogue, etc.
Once America loses the petrodollar hegemony, all bets are off. We will see a much more chaotic world.
Personally, I am very much looking forward to it.
Imagine a war between a nuclear Saudi Arabia led Gulf confederation against a nuclear levant centered Iran.
Pakistan and India going at it with Nukes.
Russia is already threatening the use of nukes over Ukraine.
We can whine about the past all we want. That past will be nothing compared to the next 100 years. As resources grow scarce, this world is going to go insane. In the end, I believe that Western Liberalism will achieve it’s end. However, the unintended consequences will be their own annihilation as “barbarian” tribes rise up and murder them in their self-righteous and contented sleep. The world will be in flames in the next 100 years. This is not new to history. All great Empires fall. China and Rome fell in such a manner. When a people lose their ability to fight, their will to fight, their survival instincts, the end is not far off. Liberals have no will to fight and nothing in which they believe. The highest ideal of the Western Liberal is the loathing of his/her own culture. Doom shall surely follow.
Nothing in Iraq is about American Security. In the ’80s, our Iraq policy was about revenge and sowing division. In the ’90s, it was pure economics but advantaged for the dollar, Europe, India, Japan and China.
Now, I can’t really tell what it is. We false flagged our way into a decade of lunacy in Iraq to no apparent advantage. We’ve definitely sewn division amongst the Middle East.
What we’ve accomplished here is the pitting of Shi’a Iran against Sunni Saudi Arabia. We’ve made a showdown all but inevitable. The problem with this is that there is no guarantee that the current criminals who are our putative allies will actually be the power in Saudi Arabia. We have strengthened the Wahhabist movement in the Nejd at the expense of the Saudi Royals. Not that I am against that. I abhor the Saudi hypocrites.
I suppose now that the thing to do is to withdraw from the Middle East and await the inevitable showdown between the Saudi led Sunnis and the Irani led Shi’a.
Let them fight it out. That’s a good centuries worth of fighting there.
That will take Israel out of focus until Egypt gets dragged into the conflict. The seeds for this have already been laid.
even with Egypt, there is no guarantee that Israel would become a focal point. Instead Egypt could be led to focus upon Iran.
If the Saudis were smart, they’d ally themselves with Israel against Iran. There is precedent for alliances with infidel powers. Saladin did it. Several Muslim princes did so during the “Crusader era.”
It will all depend on who comes to power over the next several decades.
I have a few hard line stances to which I am pretty much a hard stay.
Most people are cool with the difference of opinion.
Two groups who, ironically, preach tolerance/love/acceptance have been the ones most often and most likely to hold these opinions against me.
1. Fundamentalist Christians
2. Hard Left Liberals
I have a few people who hold a hardcore dislike for me or who love to “preach” their message but do everything that they can to NOT hear any other message.
All of these people fall into the category of Fundamentalist Christian or Hard Left Liberal.
For instance, I do not think that Palestine will ever be “democratic.” Yet, there are a group of liberals whom I have known who attend rallies, meetings and such with the goal of a “free and democratic” Palestine. When I tell them that this is impossible, they automatically think that I am for the status quo in Palestine and that I am pro everything Israel. However, that could not be further from the truth.
I believe that Israel is the author of many of the woes of Palestine. I believe that Israel has become an offensive fraud who preaches democracy, yet, oppresses a whole class of people based upon fear and greed.
I, also, believe that the Arab Nations share guilt in this endless conflict. All of the Arabs. Iraq, Saudi Arabia (most guilty and most hypocritical), Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan, Jordan and Palestine. These people are as great a problem and sticking point as the Israelis.
That said, no Palestinian State that emerges at this time will be democratic. It will be another Islamic Despotism based on the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood. Liberal fallacies and fantasies about freedom and democracy in the region are naught but dreamy intentions paving the way to hell for Arab Christians and Muslims in Palestine.
I also have my Fundie Christian detractors. Those purveyors of hellfire and brimstone who “innocently” imply that I am on the path to hell and can’t quite understand how such a belief would offend anyone. These people have told me countless times that morality can not exist without Christianity. For them, there is no morality without Christ.
I, on the other hand, look at the history of Christianity and think that if that is morality, I’d rather be immoral.
When I refute their claims, they claim that I am blaspheming their religion. They tell me that I am disrespecting their beliefs. They tell me that I should be more tolerant.
That bewilders me. The thought that I should be “tolerant” of a belief that condemns me to hell. The idea that I should be more respectful of a religion that believes that I will burn for eternity because I do not pay lip service or believe in their system of intellectual and emotional servitude to a capricious deity who on the one hand orders genocide and on the other preaches faith, hope and love BUT only if you believe in him, his son and their plan for salvation.
If I deign not to believe, I shall burn in hell for eternity.
And I’m the disrespectful, intolerant one?
Yet, that I have the audacity to make it clear that I think Palestinian Democracy or Salvation at the hands of a vengeful, judgmental God or whatever pet project a Fundamentalist Christian or Hard Left Liberal might have is based on fallacy, I am the intolerant one.
These folks are absolutist. There is no room for difference with these folks. I will admit that I might be wrong. I fully and freely admit that I do not know all.
But there is no room for doubt with these folks. Therefore, I become the enemy. The hated one.
They preach. They give their story. They’ll demand that you listen, that you give them your time. When you attempt to give your side, they will not listen. Their minds close as tightly as their eyes, ears and hearts.
And then I become the evil one.
For most of these people, these are mere tools with which they bash the opponent. You are required to tolerate and accept their ideas. They require that you dismiss yours.
Both sides are guilty of dehumanizing the other. I have had conversations with Israelis and with Palestinians. They did not speak of “the other” as fellow humans but as targets to be killed. They spoke of each other as enemies. There was never a mention of reaching agreement or to coming together to solve the issues. It was only winning the battle that mattered. For Palestinians, winning is complete control of the Palestinian State. For Israelis, it is the same but they rule the day. There is no ending this stalemate short of a holocaust of one side or the other.
Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran all share blame in this ongoing tragedy.
The Israeli have allowed themselves to become their enemy. They’ve allowed themselves to morph into the same monsters that they fight.
That’s the shame of it.
Israel needs a sea change in cultural attitudes. Their policies with the Arabs need a thorough review and evaluation.
I’m of the opinion that the Israelis should back off completely. Withdraw unilaterally to the pre-67 boundaries sans Jerusalem.
Let the Palestinians do as they will. Let time pass. If the Palestinians still wish to fight, IDF can justify their actions.
Right now, Israel needs to back off.
It’s past time for change on this front.
I can no longer tell who is the terrorist and who is the victim.
All of that said, I can never support the creation of another oppressive Islamic State. A Palestinian State as it stands right now would be another Muslim Brotherhood sponsored despotic Islamic State that oppresses all but especially targets non-Muslims.
Israel is wrong. So is Palestine.
I was a little into my cups in this vid.
So, I went to Jerusalem a couple of years back with my girlfriend and another friend. We had a good time strolling through the old city. We saw a lightshow in the Citadel of David. We grooved through all of the old Christian sites such as the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. It was easy on the Christian side.
The Jewish sites were open to the public and easily accessible. No threatening presence. No people staring you down for daring to enter their domain.
We walked the Via do la Rosa. The path of pain. That being the path that Jesus, according to tradition, took from his judgement to his torture to his death via the most horrendous method of judicious murder ever devised by mankind — hanging on the cross. It’s a strange tradition to follow the death of a man so closely but that’s Christianity. It’s all about death. They love their Jesus and celebrate his death. I don’t understand it and especially do not understand why they don’t concentrate more on his life.
That said, there is not much known about his life. If he actually existed. There is no real proof that Jesus existed. Most of the “proofs” have been found to be fakes or hoaxes. The Shroud of Turin has been proved false. Yet, folks still flock to see “his” death shroud. More celebration of death.
On the Muslim side, it was a little bit more difficult. The Muslim side is segregated. Not only do women have their places and places that they can not go but the Muslims have made rules such that Infidels must pass through certain gates to enter their holy places. Non-Muslims could not walk through certain areas and were prohibited from entering places like the Dome of the Rock.
The Muslims themselves looked to be near to breaking out in violence at all times. They didn’t look happy even in their own little areas. That’s not to say all of them. But even the puniest punk tried to stare down folks. That happened even in the markets.
It’s a shame as I know many Muslims who lead happy lives. As happy as can be as most Muslims whom I know live in war torn nations. Could there be a pattern to that? Someone might want to think about that.
Why are most Muslim areas poor and violent?
I know. America. Right? It’s all the fault of the Great Shaytan and the little Shaytan. America and Israel.
Only that doesn’t account for the fact that Muslim areas have been in strife before contact with Europe or the existence of America.
Was Genghis Khan America’s fault? Was Tamerlane the fault of America? Were the Turkish tribes the fault of America or Europe?
Something to think about I suppose.
Overall, though, we encountered very few problems in Jerusalem. Unless you count the impossibility of finding a good cheeseburger.
I went to Afghan looking for adventure. I found it. What I hadn’t counted on was becoming jaded with American intervention in the world. I was a fairly idealistic young man in 2003. I was two years removed from the Army. The Taliban sponsored al Qaeda had just blown the crashed the Twin Towers in Afghanistan. George Bush had just led us into Iraq.
I had been ambivalent about invading Iraq. I thought that we could have gone one of two ways with Saddam Hussein. 1. Invade Iraq and take him down. 2. Leave Iraq alone — halt sanctions, embargoes and diplomatic pressure. We had created Saddam in the 80s. Iraq and Saddam were nothing until we elevated him. When he had reached the end of his usefulness to us, we abandoned him.
It has been my opinion for some time, that we should have encouraged Saddam to invade Saudi Arabia to clear out the Saudi Royal Family and to end the Wahhabis in the Nejd. The Saudis are the perpetrators of Wahhabism which is the Islamic creed of all of the terrorists, insurgents, taliban and Muslim brotherhoods that have become a threat to America since the fall of the Soviet Empire.
After spending nearly a decade in Central Asia and the Middle East and having studied the two regions in depth, I drew the conclusion that America was part of the problem. We need a sea change in the Islam foreign policy and diplomatic strategies. The first thing that we need to do is get out. Leave the area in the dust. We draw upon Middle Eastern oil reserves for only 12% of our needs. China, India, France, Germany and other leading nations need Middle Eastern oil. The United States of America does not. A departure from the Middle East, leaves us without a need to bribe those despots to keep them in line with our strategic vision. We depart the region and stop supporting the despots, most of the animosity towards the United States evaporates.
The other problem is Israel. Do we abandon Israel and leave her to her fate against the Arabs? Do we continue to support Israel? I would continue to support Israel. Contract with Israel to have a military training reserve in the Negev Desert. That acts as a firm show of support and allows us a footprint in the Middle East should we need to deal with problems in the region. We could even help them root out the Iranian puppets in Lebanon Hezbollah if push came to shove. Hezbollah is nothing more than the Iranian Revolutionary Guard in disguise.
As for the remainder of the Middle East, let Europe, China and India deal with that mess. If they want the oil, they can keep the Straits open. They can deal with the Saudis. If the Saudi sponsored Wahhabis reach out and attack us, we land at Jeddah and crush that hotbed of Wahhabist extremism.
There is no other real need for our presence in the region.
The State of Israel may want to read this:
Leviticus 19:33 — “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
I’m still opposed to the establishment of another Islamic Totalitarian Puppet State, though.
It would seem that war with Iran may be inevitable. The Political Leaders of the World and the UN seem to want it. Why is America enmeshed in this oil war? We do not purchase oil from Iran. We have nothing to gain from a conflict with Iran and much to lose. If we do join in a physical conflict with Iran, in no way should we bear the cost of such a war. Nor should we put forth the manpower or primary land forces for an invasion. I would have no problem with supporting other nations with Air Power. That said, the powers that desire this war should use their political and diplomatic capital to bring about hostilities. Iran is not America’s War. It’s is Saudi Arabia’s War. It is Israel’s War. We have nothing to gain from a War with Iran. Not in the political climes of this age.
The Saudis should be forced to take the lead here. The Saudis should take the lead in the Middle East on this issue. The only way that we should declare war in Iran is if Saudi Arabia declares War jointly with Israel. Japan, France, China, India and Italy should be compelled to commit first. The US should commit no land Forces except Seals and SF. Saudi Arabia should be required to commit all of their forces to the conflict, if it comes, as a prerequisite for support in the conflict. Their land forces should be front line. No bullshit support role. Furthermore, Saudi Arabia should request that Israel take part in the Land War and operate jointly with the Israelis against Iran.
There is no way that we should defend Saudi oil profits while the Saudi men sit back and talk Islamic shit over Chai and Sheesha. Likewise, there is no way that we should defend Israel while Israeli military men sit in Tel Aviv and Haifa clubs or sun themselves on Mediterranean beaches. Iran is a major source of oil for France, India, China and Japan. If they wish to keep purchasing this oil for their economies, they should pay the price for it’s continued resourcing.
Saudi Arabia should be required to obtain the consent of the remaining OPEC Nations. Each OPEC Nation should be required to commit land forces as well.
The OPEC Nations should pay the total bill of the conflict. They can obtain reparations from Iran once the conflict is over.
Re-building Iran, if necessary, should be the responsibility of Saudi Arabia and the remaining Islamic OPEC Nations.
America has shed enough blood and spent enough treasure to line the pockets of the tyrants and Islamic hypocrites of Saudi Arabia.
If the world wants war with Iran, let them make war with Iran. Iran is not vital to our National Security. The Straits of Hormuz are not vital to our National Interests. We could survive without oil from that region. Iran is of national importance to the security of China, India, Italy and Japan and a few other Nations. Iran is a threat to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Israel.
Those are the Nations that should be taking the lead in the deliberations with Iran.
America should back off. If those Nations request our assistance, we can decide to help or to stay away from the mess. In this matter, America does not need to take the lead. The Nations that depend on Iranian oil and those nations which are threatened by Iran (Saudi Arabia and Israel) should take the lead in diplomacy and, if it comes, in conflict. If the Saudis are too cowardly to be outspoken in their opposition to Iranian Imperialistic Revolution, America should not cover their collective asses in this fabricated “crisis.”
I have stated before and I’ll state it again. Iran can have the bomb if they desire it. The whole of the Middle East can have the bomb if they so desire. It should be made clear to them, however, that if one Nuclear explosion occurs, there will be massive retaliation. MASSIVE RETALIATION.
I can see why Iran would want a bomb. The Mad Mullahs have every reason to fear the United States and the West. We have acted as stooges for Saudi Arabia for far too long. We have acted out in aggression against the Middle East often. We have meddled in Middle Eastern affairs too often. Iran has every reason to fear our meddling interference in their affairs. If I were one of the Mad Madhis, I’d want the bomb. In the end, though, they would not dare use it. Even if we invaded. They’d have maybe 10-20 bombs over the course of the next decade. The United States has hundreds of such bombs as well as the delivery systems to hit every Iranian city of note.
The West should back off. We should take a conciliatory line. We should open ourselves to Iran and it’s people. On the other side, we should allow Israel to strike against Iran in Lebanon if they feel threatened by Iranian Imperialism in that Nation. Iran has been meddling in Lebanon and Syria for decades. They are no babe in the woods. Hezbollah is their tool of empire. If Hezbollah continues to strike out at Israel, the world should remain quiet if Israel goes in with massive retaliation.
Iran can not complain about an act and then take part in it. That is as hypocritical as their complaints about Palestine. The world should stay out of the Palestinian conflict. If it is ok to meddle in Palestine/Israel, then, it is ok to meddle in Iran and elsewhere. The Western Liberal critics of intervention can not have it both ways.
Palestinian Nationhood is a joke. There never was a Palestine in History. Had the Arabs won in 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973, there would never have been a thought of a Palestine. Only Arab military incompetence made Palestinian Nationhood possible. The Arab countries would have divided the land which is now Israel and the so-called Occupied Territories. Palestine would not have been created and those peoples would be worse off than they are now.
The West should stop meddling in the Middle East period. We should halt all aid to any country that is non-democratic. If they wish to be Islamic Despotisms, let them have at it. If they wish to be Democracies, let us aid them. That said, the Aid should go to the people. The Aid should not be filtered through the Governments. If the Governments continue to demand their cut, let us cut them off entirely.
Cut the strings by which Saudi Arabia and their OPEC brethren have been puppeteering in the West. Rid us of our oil addiction. Halt aid to corrupt governments in the Middle East and elsewhere. If these countries wish to join the modern world, let them prove it by taking on modern governance and freeing their people. If not, we should have nothing to do with them.
No more oil wars. No war in Iran. No more meddling.