“Fact is Muslims kill far more Muslims than non-Muslims.”
Umar, Founder of the Ummayyad Dynasty
I don’t understand when people state this obvious fact as if it is a totem against Islamic extremism or judgment thereof.
This is a horrid fact. It is a wretched statement about the lunacy of Islam. To be an apostate in Islam is a death sentence and nearly every group of Muslim lunatics has their own definition of apostacy. Much like the Catholics and Protestants (pick your denomination) in the age of Christian insanity, to fall in with a group of Muslims is to inculcate their beliefs or risk death in non-conformity. In the West, non-conformity is to risk at best ostracism from a desired group. At worst and if one acts violently, one may risk imprisonment or exile (ala Manning & Snowden). In Islam, non-conformity is a possible or probable death sentence. Depending on the country, region or group of lunatics in one’s immediate geographic area, probable/possible can proceed with alacrity to certainty.
According to some researchers, 15% of the world’s Muslim population actively or passively supports extremist views of Islam. This is certainly not true. For to be a Muslim is to believe that the Qu’ran is infallible. Much of the Qu’ran is extremist. Certainly, there are passages in the Qu’ran which imitate the New Testament of the suicidal Messiah. However, most of the Qu’ran is about conquest and akin to the Old Testament and the Judaic God of Omnipotent Fury.
One can read the Qu’ran and come away with passages of love for humanity. Yet, Islam is not Christianity. Islam is it’s own religion. Islam asserts it’s ascendancy over all other religions. Islam states that it is well and good to convert via conquest even as it states that no Infidel or non-believer should be forced into conversion (or reversion as the Muslims believe). Instead of forcing one to “revert,” Islam creates a second class of citizens and a third class of citizens all the while asserting that this well and good.
Islam, as of this time, has no real global political power. The judge of the character of a religion or cause is not it’s actions during impotence but in it’s age of power. How does it treat those when it has the power to coerce, tax and to impose it’s will.
One must look to the Nations wherein Islam IS the power. Where Islam is the Law. For this, we have Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Lybia and assorted other nations such as Indonesia. The outlook is not favorable for Islam as peaceful and tolerant religion.
Look to Jerusalem during the Jordanian occupation. How did the Jordanians treat non-Muslims in their holy city. How do Muslims treat the holy places of the other? In the history of Islam, they have mostly been want to demand respect for their holy places while desecrating those of all others. To be sure, there are exceptions. Omar, Babar and Saladin are fine examples of Islamic tolerance. Omar was an early Islamic leader coming soon after Mohammad. Babar and Saladin were not of the Arab/Gulf school of Islam. They grew up under the Mystics and Sufis of the deserts.
The brand of Islam that has arisen again out of the Nejd and which is spreading like a disease of the soul throughout the Muslim world via Wahhabism and it’s children in the Muslim Brotherhood is not of the desert Sufis or Mystics. Wahhabism is severe. Wahhabism is a cancer being spread via oil pipelines and capitalistic greed. It is apocalyptic. It is messianic. It is a potential world devourer for it cares not whom it kills, how many it murders or what it destroys. It’s mission is to spread throughout the body of humanity by any means necessary even unto the death of the host. We can wish that this latest Muslim movement was one of tolerance and we can pretend that the 15% are the only Muslims about whom we must be concerned. However, in the history of man, it is not the 85% who carries the day and rules history or crafts the stories of blood and violence that rends peace and creates war. It is the 15% who terrorizes and leads the other 85% into the rift of war, violence and conquest.
Certainly, Muslims kill more Muslims than they kill outsiders. They are neighbors. The fight is more personal. They are convenient targets for one another. The idealistic are always a lunatic fringe and when carried into the future by extremist views of any ideology, they will carry the day. For they have the passion and the will to force their views on the masses.
Islamic Extremism began before America was founded. It existed in our early days. It was there in the Barbary Pirates. It was there before our Revolution in the Nejd being fought against by other Muslims. It existed long before we started our foray into the World as a power of any great importance (real or imagined).
Islamic Extremism has been there since the beginning of Islam. Islam was born in blood. It was born extreme. The first act of Muhammad was to use Islam as a tool to capture Mekkah and to turn the pagan shrines there into Islamic Shrines with the Ka’aba as it’s center.
What we know in the modern era as Islamic Extremism was started by al Wahhab. Al Wahhab was a Cleric born in the late 1700s. He assisted the Saudi Family in their ultimately successful efforts to conquer Arabia. Afterwards, his adherents became so violent that they were put down by the Egyptians at the behest and with the approval and thanks of the Ottomans.
The Muslim Brotherhood traces it’s philosophical founding to al Wahhab. All Islamic Terrorism groups not sponsored directly by Iran and even some of those such as Hezbollah, the Quds Force and Hamas trace their philosophical foundings and their violence back through the Muslim Brotherhood to al Wahhab.
I find it amusing when Westerners who are wholly ignorant of the history of Islam and it’s people wax poetic about how America or the West is to blame for Islamic Extremism.
Islam began as a tiny desert cult or sect in the deserts of Arabia. It conquered it’s way via Holy War from Central Asia and Western China to India and Indonesia to parts of Southeast Asia thorugh Asia Minor into Eastern Europe down through the Middle East and the Levant to North Africa and into the African Interior ending in Spain.
This peaceful religion then sided with the Germans in both World Wars I and II. Syria and Egypt then sided with communism and the Soviet Union.
I suppose that is peaceful as compared to a pacifist community or two…
Currently, Islam is used to justify African Slavery, Holy Jihad and suicide bombs, Airplane Hi Jackings, Clitorectomies on young women, the chattel slavery and oppression of millions of women across the Islamic world and in the West, execution of homosexuals, honor killings of sisters, mothers and wives for the slightest of reasons.
It is a given that not all Muslims practice these things or approve of such things. It is a given that the leadership of Islam is weak and vacillating. Relying on oppression and duplicity to remain in power.
Yes, Christians have done ugly things as well. That said, Christians, for the most part, are not doing these things now.
There is no mainstream movement in Christianity that calls for the Bible as Christian Law. No mainstream movement that calls for the execution of infidels, homosexuals or women based on Christian law.
This does not exist in the West. Not in the mainstream.
There are loons and fools a plenty. None of them get the time of day from the majority of the Western World including adherents to the Christian faith.
The world would be better off without Islam and Christianity. That much I believe. Individual Christians and even smaller organizations are fine. It is primarily the politicized and the mainstream fundamentalist Christians with whom I have a problem. Christianity has done much harm. The belief in Jesus of Nazareth and those who follow the actual teachings of Christ have been a great boon to the world at large. Christianity as we know it is a perversion created by the State of Rome as a mechanism of control. It was also used by the Monarchies of Europe to further their power and political aims. Jesus, I believe, would not approve of what we have called Christianity for the past 1600 plus years.
We’d find others things over which to fight.
The West is not to blame for Islamic Extremism.
America is not to blame for Islamic Extremism. It pre-dates America herself and it certainly pre-dates American Global Power.
Someone someday might successfully explain to me how something that existed before her birth is the fault of America. As of this date, no such person has arisen.
Only fools who know nothing of history.
Not all Muslims are enemies of Liberty and Freedom. Not all Muslims would force their brand of religion on others. Even so, there are many Muslims who would. Radicals are always the more powerful force in history. Moderates will usually fight for nothing. Pacifists will not fight. Those who believe in nothing will not fight for their vision of life on the planet.
This is the danger of Islamic Extremism. The radicals are willing to fight and to die for that in which they believe. Ignore that at your own peril–as many have done before.
A moron claiming ties to al Qaeda has been caught attempting to blow his dumbass up on a Northwest Airlines flight out of Detroit with a bomb strapped to his leg. Abdul Mudallad, a 23-year-old Nigerian national, is the idiot here. May Allah slap his ass down and provide him with 70 Virgin vipers to eat at his innards for eternity.
This cake eatin’ fool actually made it through security with something strapped to his leg. I mean really…
Mr. Mudallad suffered 3rd-degree burns when the device detonated on approach to Detroit, according to Mr. King. He said none of the other passengers was seriously injured.
The man told investigators that he was given the device by al Qaeda operatives in Yemen, where he was also given instructions on how to detonate it, the U.S. official said.
“This guy claims he is tied to al Qaeda, specifically in Yemen,” the official said. “He claims he was on orders from al Qaeda in Yemen.”
How did he make it through security. When I go through security in the US, they all but make me strip down and prance around in circles naked.
As for al Qaeda. Are they that stupid? Or did they get this guy out of the looney bin or a homeless shelter?
Al Qaeda is scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.
Osama must have sent out a memo. “Give me your lame, blind, crippled and crazy! We’ll send ’em all through the airports with bombs strapped to their legs!”
Hey, one of the fuckin’ retards is bound to make it through to detonation.
Now. Not only are they demented, evil fucks, but, they’re a bunch of retarded fucks as well.
That said, I can’t decide who are the bigger bunch of worthless shitbags~ al Qaeda and their evil minions or TSA and their evil donut eatin’ minions. TSA and their merry band of miscreants actually let this guy pass through security and get on an airplane with a bomb strapped to his leg. Now, TSA HQ is going send out a Memo to it’s bunch of retards to up the ante and start scrutinizing little old white women even harder. I say we shoot the whole lot.
The hell of it, though, is that now TSA is going to start making everyone take off their pants at Security Checkpoints. That could be good or bad. Before ya know it, we’ll all be buck nekkid walkin’ through the airports. They’ll start issuing Speedos at the TSA pre-checkpoints.
Strip down and enjoy your flight.