I do not trust any Christian to influence my government because in their hearts many Christians want the same thing that the Taliban wants. They want the government to pass laws based upon their religious beliefs. That is exactly why I would not want the Taliban and/or the Saudis in charge of the government. It’s also the reason that I do not trust “Liberals”. Their religious fervor is no less than that of the Christians or Muslims who wish to force upon the rest of us their belief systems.
JESUS WAS NOT A REFUGEE!
Stop lying, Democrats! Stop lying, Pete Buttigeig! Stop It! Stop it! SOP IT!
In the Bible, Joseph was leading his family to his hometown for the Roman Census within the Roman Empire. Jesus would have been born a Citizen of Judaea which was a client State of the Roman Empire. Joseph was not poor. He was either a Stone Mason or a Carpenter in the town of Nazareth. He was probably a solid member of the Middle Class (if such had existed at that time). Jesus was not born to poverty. These are lies that Leftists like to use to spread their Orwellian doublespeak propaganda. Buttigieg is an obvious liar and spreader of lies, fabrications and deceptions. Apparently, he has more in common with Jussie Smollet than being homosexual. He creates his own “facts” as well.
By the time of Yeshua and Paul, the land of Israel (Judea and Samaria) had been part of the Roman Empire for several decades. The first emperor, Julius Caesar, granted rights to Jewish communities because their ancestral laws predated Rome. Jews had legal privileges as a collegia (defined by Roman law as religious & legal entities), giving them the right to assemble, have common meals and property, govern and tax themselves, and enforce their own discipline.
All of this authority was placed under the auspices of the Synagogue and its legal body, the Sanhedrin. The Jews were also given exemption from military service and emperor worship. They were the only non-pagan religious group in the Roman empire to have these rights. Under Roman law, no new religions were allowed and all other religious societies (other than Judaism) were forbidden by Caesar to have presence in the city of Rome. All of these factors led to much resentment and the formation of a social anti-Jewish sentiment among the population. (1)
Joseph was not running from conflict, war, famine, drought or anything else. He was heading to his ancestral home to be counted because the Senate and the Emperor wanted a good count of the people in the Empire. It was a census. They weren’t be prosecuted. They were following the rules of the Nation in which they lived and of which they were members as recognized by Roman Law.
The State put Joseph and his Wife and Baby Jesus on the road and at that manger. The kind of State which Buttigieg and his ilk wish to impose upon the Free Citizens of the United States of America.
Why did they stay in a manger? Joseph was late and, apparently lacked planning ability, and there was no room in what passed for hotels and inns in that age. Joseph asks for a room to rent. He’s not begging. He wants comfort and security for his wife and infant whilst on the road traveling.
They weren’t refugees. They were traveling and would return home to Nazareth once the census was finished. Once their obligations to the Senate and People of Rome had been fulfilled.
Again, Jesus was not a refugee. I’m not a Christian and I know this. Mayor Pete claims to be a Christian but, apparently, has never read the Bible or studied history.
This lets you know with a certainty that Democrats who sell this line of inane nonsense are not really Christians. If they were, they would know that Joseph was not a refugee fleeing some war torn city because of war. Caesar Augustus had granted Citizenship to the Provinces following the example of Julius before him. Jesus was born a Citizen of a client State in the Greatest Empire the Western World had known to that point.
Joseph lived in the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire at this time was at peace. Octavian had taken power during a war which, by the time of the birth of Jesus was over. Peace was in the land. Augustus was the Prince of Peace of his time. He brought a peace to the Empire that it had not known for 50 years or so.
Rome was stable at the time of the birth of the little Christ. Perhaps if Jesus had been born in the lands to the North of Rome, he might have been a refugee. Rome was on the march in the geo-political realm which we now call Germany and Eastern Europe.
The only refugees would have been OUTSIDE of the Empire. Perhaps in the bedouin world of the Arabs of Arabia not far off from Judaea or, as mentioned previously, in the Germanic tribal lands to the North.
Jospeh was traveling WITHIN the Roman Empire. Neither he nor his family were refugees.
Later, Joseph had to flee to Egypt because the State was attempting to murder his child. The State wanted to abort little baby Jesus and, according to Biblical lore, wanted to abort the Life of the Baby Jesus. They wanted to kill Baby Jesus before he could grow into a threat to the Empire or the safety of the Jewish Elite in the Province of Judaea. Depending upon whom you believe.
A more apt comparison would be the The Democratic Party to the Pharisees. These leaders of Roman controlled Judaea were the Rulers and Judges who exercised local power at the behest of Rome. That is the better comparison here. Progressives persecute the followers of Jesus in our age all the while pretending to be Christians themselves.
This misconception of Jesus as a refugee is a perfect example of Progressive arrogance, ignorance and devious deception. We have an open homosexual who claims to be a Christian telling devout Christians that they aren’t Christian enough because the wish to not be controlled by an all powerful State. Liberty is an evil to Buttigieg. Giving more control and power to the State, he says, is the Christian thing to do. Buttigieg pretends to be Christian. What he truly worships is the State.
I am not Christian. Even so, I can read the Bible. In the Bible, homosexuality is called Sin. There is no refining it. There is no way to argue this. Homosexuality is Sin. It is called abomination. Therefore, in accordance with the Bible and the professed belief of Mayor Pete, he is in a constant state of Sin. Yet, he wishes to lecture others on Christianity based upon this Progressive fabrication that Jesus was a refugee.
Buttigieg uses Christianity. It is a tool for him. He’s no more Christian than I am.
I’ve never understood why Homosexuals have such a great desire to please a mythological creature who hates them and calls them abominations and considers their very existence a sin. It’s a self hating form of cognitive dissonance.
The thinking must go somewhere along these lines: “I’m Christian and God hates me because I’m homosexual. Therefore, I can stop hating myself because God does it for me. AND I can use this same God to express my hatred for my fellows in humanity for not accepting me as a homosexual.”
JESUS WAS NOT A REFUGEE!
Jesus was a Citizen.
Jesus was not born into poverty.
Mayor Pete is attempting to deceive
you because he is a Progressive prevaricator.
What if the anti-Christ created Christianity?
Romans 13:1-2 New International Version (NIV)
Submission to Governing Authorities
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
In the Roman Empire, the law of the land was that one must worship the Roman Emperor as God. Were Christians who refused to do so sinning against God?
Does not worship of a mere mortal emperor as God directly contradict the First Commandment?
Did Christians ever stop to think that the Book of Romans was inserted as Roman propaganda.
Constantine the Great made Christianity an official religion of the Roman Empire in the 4th Century AD. After he did so, he convened a council in Nicaea to craft the Christian religion and establish doctrine and dogma.
In effect, a Roman Emperor decided what was Christian and what was outside of official Christianity. A Roman who was not baptised until his death. A Roman who decreed himself a Divine Entity on par with the God of the Christians.
No Christian whom I know who is aware of this questions this system or the addition of Romans to the official catechism that became the Roman government approved version of the Holy Bible (book) of Roman Christianity.
Prior to Constantine the Great, several Roman Emperors decreed Christians to be heretics or, generally speaking, rabble rousing madmen primarily because they would not participate in the officially sanctioned State religion of Rome. Jupiter Maximus was the supreme being and the Emperor was a God on Earth. All Roman Citizens were to worship this divine emperor whilst on Earth.
If we take this Romans chapter and verse at face value, it would seem to dictate that Christians were wrong in refusing to worship the emperor as divine.
This directly contradicts the First Commandment:
“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me” (Exodus 20:2-3).
No other gods before me. No other Gods should be worshiped. Certainly, no other God should be set higher than YHWH.
How do we account for this contradiction?
Was the Book of Romans a forgery and not written by the Apostle Paul as we are taught. If so, how do we trust any book in the Roman Emperor’s Bible. Each Book was chosen because it supported the State and Official Culture of the Roman Empire under Constantine the Great.
Obey the State. Worship the Emperor as Divine. Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.
Romans gives false doctrine that contradicts Ieshua’s teachings. Give unto Caesar that which is Caesars. If we are truly Children of God, nothing belongs to Caesar. If we are spiritually connected to the God of Abraham and he is the One True God, there is no way that the Romanized Christianity of our age can be truth. It is a falsehood. It is a lie.
Perhaps, the anti-Christ has been in control of the Church for 1600 years in the form of the Papacy sitting upon the chair of Peter. What if the anti-Christ created Christianity?
Humans have been walking the Earth for about 50,000 years. 10,000 or so of which has been “civilized.” 1700 of those years has seen Christianity. Approximately 400 of those years has seen Christianity spread beyond the Med-Euro who stole it from the Middle Eastern deserts.
I’m thinking that most of humanity did fairly well without Christianity and that we’d survive without it.
Billions and billions of good, moral humans have lived and died and been fortunate enough to never have heard of Abraham or his spawn.
I’m a White Dude. I’m not a Liberal. Not a Snowflake. Not a Leftist.
Nor am I a Conservative or Neo-Con.
I fall somewhere in the margins. I believe fully that the American Citizen should be legally able to own any and every Fire Arm that is owned by the US Government. That includes everything from a .22 Pistol or Revolver to a Browning M2 .50 Calibre Machine Gun. If the State has it, the Citizen should be allowed to have it. I’d even include Grenade Launchers and 90MM Recoil-less Rifles.
A Private American Citizen should be able to purchase and own Body Armor and Kevlar Helmets. All types. Again, if the State has it, the Citizen should be able to own it if they so choose.
I believe in the right of the Citizen to Self Defense. Against all enemies. Foreign and Domestic. We should be able to defend ourselves against local and State Police, the DEA, the ATF, the FBI, the CIA, al Qaeda, ISIS, Antifa, the Weather Underground, Ted Kazinski, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), AIPAC and any other organization that seeks to undermine our Rights as Human Beings.
Note: I left out the Black Panthers. I’ve researched the Black Panthers. They were not a Terrorist Organization. They organized themselves to fight against the Terrorism of the Local and State Police as well as J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI. The FBI has been a terrorist organization since they first handed the reigns over to Hoover. J. Edgar was nothing more than an American State Sponsored quasi-secular Osama bin Laden. The Panthers were not Terrorists. They were a reaction to Jim Crow era Terrorism directed against Black Americans.
I do not like Political Correctness. While I do agree that we should be sensitive to the pain that we may cause others, I will not alter everything about myself or my beliefs to satisfy the moronic hypersensitivities of the thousands of Special Interest groups that cling to the Leftist quasi-Marxist cultural authoritarians of the Democrat Party. The Democratic Elite do not care about these groups. They use these groups as wedges and cultural swords against all who dare defy the Power of the Democratic Party Elite.
Dare ye question Hillary or Chelsea Clinton and you shall surely have these sharp edged morons at your person, your career, your life. The Left as it stands now should be destroyed.
I abhor the Right Wing Xties. These people are not followers of Christ. They know nothing of the words or message of the man whom they call Jesus Christ. They know nothing of Constantine and the truth of how Christianity spread throughout the world. They think God worked mysteriously. No. That’s not how it happened. Christianity spread much as Islam did. By the sword. Through brutality, force, rapine and pillage.
The original Church (Cult) of Christ spread through the word. Through letters and gospel. That ended the moment that Constantine lied about seeing a cross in the sky at Milvian Bridge. It ended the second that God “spoke” to Constantine telling him to conquer in his name.
The great lie of Christianity is that Constantine, the Roman Emperor, saved the religion and raised it to Imperial power. If it weren’t for this event, Christianity would be another backwater religion in the lands of Islam. Christianity was saved by the very Empire who hung their Messiah from a pole at the behest of the Jews.
These are some of my beliefs. No, I’m not an Atheist. I refuse to label my beliefs. There may or may not be a God. If a God there be, he either cares nothing for human events or, if he is directing them, this God or Gods is a monster.
The history of the world is nothing but conquest, thirst for power, thirst for gold and thirst for land. Unquenchable thirst, it is. For the quest for power, gold and land never ends. Not even in this supposed civilized age.
This brings me to Islam. Islam arose in the deserts of Arabia. Muhammad walked to a cave, heard voices and exited the cave with a new message for his people. He attempted to preach that message and was chased from Mekkah with a few followers. He fled to Medina where he picked up followers overtook the power base and took the city for his own. He then returned to Mekkah at the head of an army. He conquered Mekkah.
From that conquest, he built an Empire based on cave ramblings which he called Islam (Isss-LAHM). Submission to Allah was required of every human being on Planet Earth. Muhammad had no idea of the size of the Earth at that time. He spread Islam by the sword. His armies conquered, raped and pillaged all over the Middle East. His soldiers were paid via plunder. They took from those whom they conquered. They took gold, silver, swords, land, women and slaves.
They gave those whom they conquered three choices:
1. Revert [convert] to Islam
2. Pay at tax (Jizya) to remain as they were and live under special rules as second or third class citizens in their own lands.
These are not the actions of a Religion of Peace.
Various Islamic Qaliphate conquered the whole of the Middle East, North Africa, parts of Eastern and Central Africa, Spain and Portugal, Eastern Europe, and much of Asia. There was a part of Vietnam conquered by an Islamic Kingdom called the Cham. The Cham didn’t arrive in the area now known as Vietnam and Cambodia and simply invite people in to create a new Kingdom based upon Islam. They conquered!
When they Leftist Cultural Marxists recite the Pledge to Islam and claim that it is a religion of peace, they fail to reconcile Islamic history with their errant claim.
Islam was born in blood. Islam rises now in blood. The bloody history of Islam is a deluge of violence, conquest, rapine, pillage and slavery.
Oh…and there is that Hijab. Supposedly, this is a symbol of chastity and closeness to God. God needs women to put on a veil to be close to them but men can be close to Allah in shorts and tank tops. How stupid are these women?
I often wonder if any of the members of the Democratic and Republicans are capable of critical thought?
When I reflect upon their attitudes towards God [the Gods] and religion, I come to the only possible conclusion.
Democrats and Republicans have been so brainwashed by the Public Education System that none of them are capable of independent thought. The Christian Right has been further dumbed down by Sunday School. The Left has been lobotomized by Political Correctness.
The Christ Story is insanity defined.
God creates humanity AND sin.
God tells humans that they have free will.
God tells humans that if they exercise free will, he will kill them.
God kills them.
God allows one family to live. Gives ’em plans for an Ark. Says save some animals.
Later, God chooses a family from amongst the descendants of that family. He tells them that he will make them a great nation if they follow only him.
These Chosen as represented by Abraham make a pact with God whereby the males of the people will give up a piece of skin from their penis and follow a set of rules laid down then and later, a few more, given to Moses as they march out of enslavement to the Pharaoh.
[Isaac gets his plank shaved. Ishmael laughs. YHWH and Rebekah demand that Abe expel Ishmael for his impertinence. Islam is born.]
God gives them a land.
CAVEAT: These Chosen must actually go into that land and conquer it.
And, oh by the way, they must kill every man, woman and child…and the animals…or God will not be pleased. Because God is a merciful God.
OOPS! The Chosen let some live.
Later….the Israelites start to get down with Ba’al. God gets jealous.
He calls homosexuality an abomination. He calls fornication a sin. He makes all kinds of groovy new rules to keep his people from leaving him and getting down with the boogie in the Temple of Ba’al which is much more fun because you get to fuck while you worship.
Later on…God gets a case of the ass again and tells the Babylonians, Assyrians and an assortment of other Kingdoms to kick his Chosen people’s collective asses and enslave them, move them about, destroy their temples, etc…
Until finally, Rome comes onto the scene.
Big Bad Rome is used by God to continue the punishment of the Chosen.
Until finally, Jesus is conceived and born to a Virgin with whom God got down and impregnated.
Jesus is sent to cleanse not just the Chosen but the World of sin.
Now, before this God didn’t give a flying fuck about the world. He only cared about the Jews/Hebrews/Israelites.
Suddenly, though, God has looked around and realizes…FUCK, THERE’S A WHOLE BUNCH OF MOTHERFUCKERS OUT THERE!
I’d better come up with a plan for those fuckers as well.
So, he does.
Jesus gets to come on down. Be born. Live about 30 years on his own out of sight and out of mind until suddenly he comes pounding onto the scene on his White Ass.
Jesus defies the Roman-Hebrew rulers. Basically tells them that they’re doing it all wrong.
Tells a bunch of people to love one another and to live by his golden rule and to, you know, treat people how you’d like to be treated coz that old God of Jealousy, Rage, Genocide and Bigotry who had a Chosen has finally awakened to the knowledge that there are a whole lot of motherfuckers out there in the countryside wandering about not knowing what the hell, what the fuck or why the hell and why the fuck.
Jesus makes some wine. He feeds a bunch of folks bread and fish. He gets all ornery in the Temple. He does or does not get his funky groove on with another Mary who is of Magdala and who may have been a rich widower as well as his wife or might have been a prostitute. Depends on who tells the story.
So, YHWH…the Alpha and the Omega…the Omniscient God sent himself down as his own son or maybe sent down his Son to represent him…who the fuck knows…
And this Son-God is tasked with dying for the Sins of all of Humanity. Not just the Jews or Hebrews or Israelites or Judeaens or what the fuck ever they want to be called. But no one knows this until Saul/Paul comes onto the scene a decade or so after the crucifixion, resurrection and ascension.
He came to Earth to be worshipped, to teach, to be rejected, to be betrayed, to be tried in a Kangaroo Court of Romish-Jewish nature, to be tortured, to be walked around with a cross/pole on his back and to be hung on said cross/pole until his ass was dead.
All so that he could arise. So that he could be resurrected. So that he can be alive. So that he could be seen by a select CHOSEN few who would then be tasked to carry the Good News Gospel that he, Ieshua/Jesus/The Messiah is Risen and Alive to all of the world.
Until many years later…when he becomes a fucking Muslim and raps with Mohammed on a Midnight Ride.
But sometime before that, God changes his mind again. He’s no longer the Peace God. He’s no longer all about Love and Forgiveness. He tells a Roman named Constantine to Go Forth and Conquer in his name. And so Constantine does. And so, the Holy Roman Church is born and goes on to conquer, colonize, rape, pillage and generally commit mayhem across Europe, the Middle East and then the Globe.
And now the sons of the followers of Jesus, Constantine, Abraham, Israel, Isaac, Ishmael and Mohammad have arrived at the present. Each declaring themselves the truth. Each willing to kill in the name of their Religion of Peace to prove that theirs is the One True Faith.
God is one sick bastard.
Nothing has changed since the Roman Emperor co-opted Christianity into the Empire.
The poor are used. The Rich are are further enriched.
The people are too stupid to realize the truth.
If you give money to these criminals you are a fool. If Christ were a part of Christianity, these folks would not exist.
Christians are definitely sheep. Ignorant, bleating and led to the slaughter.
If there is a hell, Christians deserve it. They have made the Earth closer to hell than heaven.
You have no RIGHT to the labor of another. You have no authority to demand that another human being do your bidding.
You do have the ability to contract[ing] for the labor of another.
A contract is a two way agreement wherein both parties agree to some exchange of services/goods/labor in return for services/goods/labor.
Both parties must agree to the contract.
You have no right to the other parties agreement.
Except via the coercion of the State. If the State deems that you have a right to the labor of others, then you have a legal right but not a natural right.
This is where you err on the side of despotism.
If the State can demand that a bigot provide a cake for a gay person or that a bigot cater a gay persons wedding, where does it end.
If you wish to grant the State those powers on your behalf, then you forfeit all right to complain about items such as institutional racism.
Those who argue in favor of State enforced rights such as the right to the labor of others, the right to forced association, the right to forced contract, you are arguing for tyranny.
Any right that must be enforced by the State is a threat of violence.
You, who are arguing for these legal rights, are arguing in favor of the Police who killed Eric Garner and every other victim of the State.
Your desires and actions are no better than that of the Christian bigot who irrationally (based upon his misinterpretations of the message of Christ) discriminates against Homosexuals or Black people. I would argue that these actions are worse. You are essentially demanding involuntary servitude based on your beliefs that people should not discriminate when, in fact, we all discriminate to one degree or another.
I’m not certain that many have thought this through to its logical Statist conclusion.
So…a moron who claims he is American (I believe him) asks me to prove that cultural appropriation is not new, not unique to America and indeed has been around for a long, long time.
I answered thusly;
Gulf Arabs look down upon Palestinians and pretty much every other Arab or Muslim Nation.
Hazaras in Afghanistan who are descended from Genghis Khan.
Druze in the Levant.
Syriacs, Coptics were some of the the original Christian members predating Constantinian Catholic Christianity. When Rome took Christianity and passed it on to Europe, these Levantine Christians were sought out and slaughtered as heretics by post-Roman European Christians.
And, yes, there are plenty of Christian examples of “cultural appropriation.” Black Gospels, themselves, are cultural appropriation as is European Christianity. The religion of Christ was stolen from the Levant and laid over Europe. The Europeans then went about the act of murdering the original Christians which laid the foundation of dissent which allowed Islam to rise so easily in those areas.
Thai Corporations which sell whitening products. This is an Asian phenomenon and it has nothing to do with Europe.
Bedouins in the Gulf Area and the appropriation and commercialization of their culture to tourists. The Gulf Nations such as the UAE then oppress these bedouin peoples.
Many, many cultures have adopted Gypsy styles of dress and dance. No one is quite certain from whence originated the Gypsies as they are a roving band of people who predate history. Everyone in Europe hates the Gypsies and looks down upon them. The whole Bohemian movement was started by Gypsies. Much of the clothes worn in high fashion can be traced back to the Gypsies. Yet, they are hated and vilified. Even Hitler tried to exterminate them.
I find this irksome. When someone asks me to provide them with obvious examples of historical fact about which one should have learned in high school. Aside from that, there is google.
America is such a myopic, ignorant land…which is why we have terms such as “white privilege” and “cultural appropriation.”
If Americans would educate themselves…my God what a Nation we could be.
Instead, we whine and argue over inconsequential bullshit.
One last as it is a HUGE one.
The Yuan Empire was created by Khublia Khan who, as you should know, was a Mongol. Much of what China has become is due to the Mongols, Jinghiss [Genghis] Khan and his grandson Khublai
The Chinese erased that history, gave Kublai a Chinese name, and claim descent from the Yuan Empire for themselves. The Chinese hate the Mongols. The Chinese try even now to claim Mongolia as part of China as they do with Tibet.
It’s a huge world out there. There is nothing new under the sun. The more one knows…the less of a whiny cunt one becomes as a result.
“Zi Gong asked, saying, “Is there one word that may serve as a rule of practice for all one’s life?” The Master said, “Is not reciprocity such a word?” – Confucius
Furthermore, it is time for Christians to take stock of their belief and the words of the “Lord and Savior.”
Did he not command you to love the least of him as you would love him?
I see no caveat to this in the Bible. I saw a clear statement.
Did he not say judge not lest you, yourself, be judged?
If you are Christian and you treat others with disrespect, you are no Christian.
“I myself am a Buddhist, not a Christian. But I cannot help but think that if Christ ran a public establishment, it would be open to all,” Takei noted. “He would be the last to refuse service to anyone. It is, simply put, the most un-Christian of notions.”
Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
~ Jesus Christ
“That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn.”
If the entire “Dharma” (spiritual and moral laws) can be said in a few words, then it is — that which is unfavorable to us, do not do that to others. (Padmapuraana, shrushti 19/357–358)
“That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself” (Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5).
People are funny.
Christians are committing the same old sins such as burning witches alive today in Africa. Christians have murdered in America in the name of Jesus. I know this is not the message of the Christ. However, it is done. Abortion clinics have been fired and abortion doctors have been murdered. Other freaks are out there murdering in the name of Jesus. The KKK were using Christianity as pretext for their actions and still do. Though the KKK is or has been fairly non-violent as of late.
Of course, America is a modern nation. As such, our people are, on whole, better educated and less prone to outright violence in the name of religion. However, it happens and it will happen. Islam is 700 years younger than Christianity. It is going through a period similar to the Wests Dark Ages or Medieval Age. We had it. They’re having it now.
Imagine what they were saying about us in our dark age. Fortunately, the West and Christianity did not have today’s technology. We were far, far more violent than they have been thus far. We are actually still more violent. The Muslims have done nothing close to World Wars 1 & 2, yet. I love how we, in the West, point to others and call them savage and barbaric when the West have nearly destroyed ourselves twice.
What is worse? A couple of hundred beheadings or the bombing campaigns that the US has going all over the Middle East and Central Asia.
“Hey, I’ve got a brilliant idea. We’ll stop ISIS from murdering people by murdering more people! Brilliant.” lol
People are funny.
I’m not excusing anything. I’m simply saying that no one is innocent. If all Muslims are guilty of the actions of a minority of Muslims, all Christians are equally guilty of the actions of a minority of Christians. Thus, we have no room to speak.
You can’t have it both ways.
People are funny.
Your sins are horrific. Mine are excusable even if they were worse.
He told a truth. Not the only truth.
However, the Christian Church misunderstood and bastardized that truth. Jesus was talking about his message of Faith, Hope and Love. That is the path. Criminals and despots took that message and warped it. Thus, it became Jesus himself who was the way and the door to eternity.
Live a life of love and the GoDs will adore you. Heaven will be yours. The religion does not matter.
There is no such thing as equality in nature. Only bureaucracies and liberal government can bring about a semblance of faux equality. And that for only a short period of time. Equality is the unique madness of liberalism.
This madness destroys any culture it infects.
Then…the barbarians arrive.
I would say that Communism seeks to make property communal with all peoples equal.
This is impossible. There are no humans who are this honorable, selfless, altruistic. Communism fails not because it is a bad system. Communism fails because humanity has no ability to cooperate in such a system.
Before the Cult of the Nazarene became the perversion that is Romanized Christianity, the earliest “Christians” operated on this communal principle. All gave what they had and all shared. If someone held back and gave only halfheartedly to the community, that person was ostracized and expelled.
Communism is a valid theory. It is not a valid system. Not because it is inherently good or evil but because humanity is inherently egotistical, exploitative, self-centered. For most of us, it takes great tragedy for us to lift our eyes from our own struggles, trials and tribulations and to aid or care for the other. For communism to work, humanity would have to completely and collectively unclasp their egos and join hands. This is all but impossible.
Here is a comment that is no so uncommon amongst those who wish to criticize Islam while being ignorant of their own history and religion:
Yeah the “prophet” Mohamed also said forcing little girls to be married at 6, and raped was ok. Fuck this posting and the politically correct bullshit behind it. What other religion advocates for rape, murder, terror, beheading, and the stoning of women simply because some guy is attracted to her? Fuck jihad.
I dislike all religions. That said, Mohammad never said that “forcing little girls to be married at age 6, and raped was ok.” Mohammad did marry several wives and he did marry a young girl named Aisha. Aisha was somewhere between the ages of 9 & 13. That’s bad enough. No need to go into full hyperbole mode on that one. He did not rape her. As was the custom in that age, he waited until her “first blood” to consummate the marriage. This was a custom in Europe at that time as well. This was not so unusual in America as recent as the late 1800s.
If one is going to criticize Mohammad, one should probably first look closer to home. There is a good chance that someone in your recent ancestry is guilty of the same behavior…AND thought it normal. If one is going to criticize something, one should have at least a basic understanding of that which one is criticizing. Otherwise, one simply looks ignorant.
No religion that I know of specifically advocates rape. However, both Islam and Christianity advocate murder, terror, stoning, etc. Also, Christians have raped and employed rape as terror. This happens today in Africa right alongside Muslim rapine. American “Christians” have been found guilty of raping young girls in all of our wars. What does Jesus say about motes and eyes, etc? Judge not, lest ye be judged. I know that Christians hate to actually use the Bible except as a weapon of mass distraction but it contains much wisdom if only Christians would actually read the damn thing.
Read the Bible. It is horrifically similar to the Qu’ran. As a matter of fact, much in the Qu’ran is plagiarized from the Bible.
Christians would know this IF THEY ACTUALLY READ THE fuckin’ BIBLE as opposed to the average Christian using it as a home decoration and nothing more. lol
It should embarass Christians that one such as I have read the Bible and written about the Bible at University, yet I am not Christian. While the majority of Christians have never read the Bible except in snippets and overheard soundbites from TV, their pastor or on the internet.
I am often irked to hell by Christians due to their ignorance about their own mythology. They ignore all of the horrors and atrocities committed by their own while castigating others for theirs.
Let’s take Jesus. Jesus talks about slavery in the Bible. Basically, he tells slaves to “honor” their masters. What does this say about the attitudes of Jesus Christ about/towards slavery.
1. Jesus thought slavery to be normal.
2. He didn’t think it a sin for one man to own another.
3. Female slaves were sold as sexual objects and subjected to rape on a daily and sometimes hourly basis.
4. Honoring one’s master is, in part, being obedient. Therefore, when female slave is told to bend over and allow her master to enter her anal cavity, Jesus had already commanded slaves to honor their masters.
Did Jesus think that slavery was ok. Did Jesus think that owning another human was just. Was Jesus telling female slaves that their rape at the hands of their master was good in the eyes of God. Probably not. I would like to think that Jesus thought that rape of slaves was bad. I would like to think that slavery was seen as an evil by Jesus.
The simple fact of the matter is that Jesus did not speak out for or against slavery. Was slavery simply not important enough a social subject for Jesus to speak of. Was slavery so unremarkable in the time in which Jesus lived that he simply felt it something about which there was no necessity to speak.
I can’t answer these questions. I can only say that Jesus said nothing about Slavery itself.
What does that say about Jesus the man? To me, it says that he was a man of his time. That, to me, is revealing. It says to me that he was a reflection of his times which means that he was mortal and not a God or a son of God any more than you or I. A God or a representative of God would not be affected by local or era customs. He would be above and beyond such things.
Yet, the West has spent nearly 2,000 years worshiping this man as well as murdering and conquering in his name.
And what does that say about us.
I am the first to admit that I am extremely negative and distrustful of Christianity. My opinion is that modern Christianity is so unlike Christ as to be THE Anti-Christ. This is especially so of Modern American Evangelical Christianity (MAEC). MAEC has become so politicized as to have lost it’s moral compass. Certainly, there are good Christians out there who observe the message of Christ and who live a Christ-like life. However, too many of them subscribe to the “all fall short” mentality and allow that to excuse hateful behavior towards their fellow man.
Christian capitalist are the perfect example of this. Modern American Capitalism is rarely based on giving the best product for the best price. It certainly is not set upon the value of excellence or good behavior towards one’s fellow man. Corporate CEOs are nothing but bottom line vultures. They wish to pay the lowest wage possible for the most work squeezed out of wage slaves. They wish for nothing more than a labor force so dependent upon wages that little choice is left but to work for corporations that destroy the planet in the name of higher stock prices at the expense of all else.
Christians political support of the Drug War is indecent and not supported by any passage or message in either the Old or New Testament. Much in the history of religion actually points to support of drug use. At least for the Judges and early leaders of Judaism and the Church. Drug imagery and “secret” messages encoded in the Bible point to the use of mushrooms and hashish by the likes of Moses and Aaron (smoking tents and whatnot). The Bible does not encourage forcing people to be good Christians or followers of secular law. If anything, the Life of Christ is an example of civil disobedience to civil law. Jesus was crucified for that very act.
I was told today that “breaking the law constitutes criminality.” If that is the case, biblical leaders are a long line of criminals. Abraham, Moses, Daniel and Jesus were infamous for their refusal to obey unjust laws.
Not only that but America is built upon a tradition of civil disobedience. If breaking the law makes one a criminal, every “Christian” founder of our nation were criminals. I begin to see that criminality against the State is not only NOT bad but essentially wholly good for the soul and intellect. It is a calling for true Americans and true Christians alike.
Jesus admonished the people of the Earth to “love thy neighbor” and to “love the least of me as you would me.” I view the world through that lens. I try to live those words. Of course, there are people whom I cannot stand and would love to punch in the face. That said, along the path of my life, I try to help those less fortunate, less intelligent, less motivated, less informed and less loved than I. For I am fortunate. I believe myself intelligent. I am nearly always motivated. (I just ran a six minute mile. ; ) ) I am fairly well informed as I read constantly and study often. I also attempt to reflect upon that which I learn in my reading and study. And above all, I am fortunate enough to be loved by many.
With that in mind, I tend to view issues such as the “sanctity of marriage,” immigration, war, the drug war, terrorism and “nation building” through the lens of these “Golden rule” wisdoms. The Golden Rule is omni-present in cultures throughout the ages and across breadth and length of this globe. All great civilizations have some form of the Golden Rule. Treat others as you would wish for them to treat you. What could be simpler. Yet it seems so difficult for humanity.
We have millions of immigrants showing up at or borders right now. Many conservative Christians would throw them out with little thought to consequences and with a blind eye towards the message of Christ. Would Christ suffer the little children of immigrants to be thrust back into poverty and desolation? Would Christ abandon these people? Are our actions and attitudes towards our Southern neighbors one of loving our neighbor? I think not. We would abandon these people. We would not follow the example of the parable of the man from Samaria.
“A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
Go and do likewise. America should be a good neighbor. We have not been a good neighbor. Our policies have led directly to the situation which has placed these peoples on our borders. Our banks rape and pillage to the South and we blame the victims for their plight.
The sanctity of marriage is a farce. Millions of Christians who purport to believe in the “sanctity of marriage” have been divorced. Some of them have been divorced several times. Yet, they believe marriage to be so sacred that homosexuals, lesbians and others should be denied the right to have their marriages recognized by the State. My first response to this is that State recognition of a marriage has nothing to do with God or sanctity. The State sanctifies home invasion and murder in the name of the Wars on Terror and Drugs. The State is run by politicians who have proven time and again to be ungodly. Iniquity runs rampant in the green and black blood that oozes through it’s deadly veins. Yet, somehow Christians believe that State recognition will somehow affect the “sanctity” of their second and third marriages.
I see hypocrisy here.
Hypocrisy is nowhere in the message of Christ. Christ admonished us to love. Not to segregate based on our own base prejudices.
This is where I differentiate myself from the MAEC.
I try to live my life with the admonishment to love my neighbor and to not see others as lessor than me. This is one reason that I love my girlfriend, Unny. She reminds me to be nice and to see the world around me through loving eyes and a purer soul. She lives to help others and her art is a reminder to me that helping others see beauty and wonder in everything around is as close to the divine as I will every travel.
This is one reason that I love working in Afghanistan. Aside from the pay, I get to help people. I teach, mentor and advise. I watch young people making their way through life and making hard choices. At times, I see nothing but cruelty and ignorance around me. However, there are moments when I see the light in a young persons eyes. There are times when I can help and when that help makes a difference. These moments are priceless to me.
If Jesus wished for us to love our neighbors as we loved him, should we not take a step back as a nation and re-evaluate our policies in the drug war, in our dealings with other nations, in our support of despots and in our treatment of our South American neighbors. Should we not be good Samaritans.
If we don’t, can we truly call ourselves a Christian nation.
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men. (Galatians 6:10)
Does it matter that “the other” or, more specifically Christians have killed more humans in the last 100 years. Does this make it right and proper that ISIS should run through Iraq, Syria and elsewhere murdering wily nily simply because they haven’t met the quota for Leftist Euro outrage? What is the point of stating the obvious? Do so called “Christian Wars” justify the rampage of murder by the Islamists today?
And is it so obvious? Can you back up your statements with facts? Muslims fought, killed and died in massive numbers during the two “Great Wars” of the Twentieth Century. Do those deaths not count somehow? Do they not count because Muslims were fighting alongside Christians, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Animists and Buddhists? Only the Christians are culpable for those deaths? Why? Because you said so? Because you have decided that the West is to blame regardless of the event.
What about the Wars against Israel? Do they not count? Are only the Jews to blame for those wars or are Christians assigned that blame as well.
The Afghan Wars have been Islam vs Atheist Communism and Islam vs a secular West? Who gets credit for these wars? Is this automatically credited to Christianity since some of the soldiers who have fought in these wars are Christian? Even if they are not necessarily fighting for Jesus?
How many thousands or tens of thousands or, perhaps, millions have Saddam, the various Kings of Jordan and Saudi Arabia
murdered over the past 100 years? How many were killed by the Yemeni dictators? Omani despots? How many millions have died across Africa at the hands of Muslim rulers? Indonesia? How many Millions have died in India and
Pakistan at the hands of Muslims? How many thousands did Nassar kill? Arafat? Sukharno? Zia ul Haq?
Yet another question is this: How many have died at the hands of Islamic backwardness brought about by the despotism inherent in the nations wherein Islam holds sway?
Who has these numbers? What you have are not facts. They are assumptions. No one actually knows the facts as no one in the West really cares when Muslims kill Muslims.
Also, one has to wonder? Who gets credit for the current American wars and sub-Wars being waged by Obama. Is Obama really a Christian. No one can truly say with confidence. If I were President and I led this country to war, would Christians get the blame for my wars? I’m not Christian, yet, America is overwhelmingly Christian.
If one is going to speak of facts, one should actually put forth some effort at providing facts rather than spouting unsupported opinion not so cleverly poorly disguised as fact.
These children had no idea to what they were pledging allegiance. What Five, Ten or Thirteen year old could or would? They’d have to be wise beyond their years and, if that were the case, they’d never pledge allegiance to a flag.
Pledge to know, protect and uphold the Constitution? Perhaps.
Pledging allegiance to a symbol that at any moment and to any person could mean anything. I think not.
This does not take into account the fact that the pledge was authored by a socialist. Nor does it take into account “GoD” being later added in order that children may be coopted forcibly into the Christian religion.
This in a state that is supposedly opposed to socialism and is supposed to be a Nation opposed to religious establishment or preference. The United States Bill of Rights guarantees Freedom of Religion. Even the founding fathers were fans of a multiplicity of religious belief in our nation.
“The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for giving to Mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation…All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens;” wrote George Washington.
“And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors.”- Thomas Jefferson
“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.”- Thomas Paine
[He] sais “neither Pagan nor Mahamedan [Muslim] nor Jew ought to be excluded from the civil rights of the Commonwealth because of his religion.” — Thomas Jefferson, quoting John Locke, 1776
“If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe. They may be Mahometans [Muslims], Jews or Christian of an[y] Sect, or they may be Atheists.” George Washington
The Founders of this Nation were accepting of all peoples. They found no need for a pledge to the flag under which they fought for Independence from Britain.
Yet, somehow, 200 years removed, Americans find themselves in need of a test, a pledge for citizenship.
The founder likewise accepted all persons as newcomers to this nation. Yet, today, we want no part of new peoples who are escaping poverty and destitution, despotism and tyranny. Today’s American is too good for the immigrant, too fearful of the immigrant, too greedy to share of their bounty.
I dare say that both the Founders of this Nation and the GoD whom Christians worship would be ashamed of these Americans.
But, pledge away, simple people. Pledge away. And pray that your GoD is not real. For if this GoD of the Christian Bible is real, surely there is another plague, another great flood, another calamity heading your way.
The pity is that you’ll drag me along with you. Oh, iniquitous, prideful fools.
I do not understand “respect” for an archaic vision of hatred. That, to me, is the essence of religion. Religion separates humanity. It categorizes and labels. It creates “the other.” Oftentimes, or more realistically, most often it prejudices it’s adherents AGAINST the other.
Religion unifies one part against the other. It divides.
Certainly, it unifies. However, it does so in a negative manner.
Religion says; “We are this and you are that. AND THAT is an abomination. THAT is wrong.”
What is good about that? What can I find to respect about that?
What if religion were to say; “We are all one. We are different but we are all part of the same whole. It is ok that you are different. We can find common ground and live peaceably and honorably.”
Religion does not do this. Religion names the other sinner, infidel, heathen, savage, heretic, unbeliever, abomination. Religion dehumanizes and allows it’s adherents to think of the lives of all others as unworthy. Unless “the other” converts, submits, reverts or otherwise becomes a part of that religion.
Religion is false. It is simply a means of falsely dividing the people of the earth and controlling that subset in accordance with the whims of “the GoD” of their leader.
Religion keeps us divided.
Religion is false.
Why would I respect that? What earthly reason do I have to respect the religion of the crusades, of jihad, of honor killings, of genocide. This notion that we should respect the beliefs of others is insanity.
No person who truly believes in Islam or Christianity can be tolerant or accepting of other religions or of persons who do not “believe.” Inherent in the beliefs of those two specific religions is the law, judgment, understanding that those who do not believe are going to a hell or will be punished for living their lives outside as a non-believer. There is no real tolerance and can be no real acceptance of others for those who truly believe in the writings of the Bible or the Qu’ran.
To a true believer, you are as good as judged by their GoD. You are unworthy. You are infidel. You are perpetual outsider with no hope of redemption or salvation UNLESS you become one of them…unless you join their FAITH.
And, like the song by Queen, there can be only one.
The two cannot coexist in any true sense. To believe one is to believe the other false. To be one is to believe that the other is not fully human…not worthy of “everlasting life.”
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
Inherent in the beliefs of those two religions is a disrespect for all other living creatures who dwell upon this planet. You are unclean. You are infidel. You are heathen. You are savage. You are abominable. That IS the belief.
Am I supposed to respect that fundamental hatred of who I am?
I have a few hard line stances to which I am pretty much a hard stay.
Most people are cool with the difference of opinion.
Two groups who, ironically, preach tolerance/love/acceptance have been the ones most often and most likely to hold these opinions against me.
1. Fundamentalist Christians
2. Hard Left Liberals
I have a few people who hold a hardcore dislike for me or who love to “preach” their message but do everything that they can to NOT hear any other message.
All of these people fall into the category of Fundamentalist Christian or Hard Left Liberal.
For instance, I do not think that Palestine will ever be “democratic.” Yet, there are a group of liberals whom I have known who attend rallies, meetings and such with the goal of a “free and democratic” Palestine. When I tell them that this is impossible, they automatically think that I am for the status quo in Palestine and that I am pro everything Israel. However, that could not be further from the truth.
I believe that Israel is the author of many of the woes of Palestine. I believe that Israel has become an offensive fraud who preaches democracy, yet, oppresses a whole class of people based upon fear and greed.
I, also, believe that the Arab Nations share guilt in this endless conflict. All of the Arabs. Iraq, Saudi Arabia (most guilty and most hypocritical), Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan, Jordan and Palestine. These people are as great a problem and sticking point as the Israelis.
That said, no Palestinian State that emerges at this time will be democratic. It will be another Islamic Despotism based on the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood. Liberal fallacies and fantasies about freedom and democracy in the region are naught but dreamy intentions paving the way to hell for Arab Christians and Muslims in Palestine.
I also have my Fundie Christian detractors. Those purveyors of hellfire and brimstone who “innocently” imply that I am on the path to hell and can’t quite understand how such a belief would offend anyone. These people have told me countless times that morality can not exist without Christianity. For them, there is no morality without Christ.
I, on the other hand, look at the history of Christianity and think that if that is morality, I’d rather be immoral.
When I refute their claims, they claim that I am blaspheming their religion. They tell me that I am disrespecting their beliefs. They tell me that I should be more tolerant.
That bewilders me. The thought that I should be “tolerant” of a belief that condemns me to hell. The idea that I should be more respectful of a religion that believes that I will burn for eternity because I do not pay lip service or believe in their system of intellectual and emotional servitude to a capricious deity who on the one hand orders genocide and on the other preaches faith, hope and love BUT only if you believe in him, his son and their plan for salvation.
If I deign not to believe, I shall burn in hell for eternity.
And I’m the disrespectful, intolerant one?
Yet, that I have the audacity to make it clear that I think Palestinian Democracy or Salvation at the hands of a vengeful, judgmental God or whatever pet project a Fundamentalist Christian or Hard Left Liberal might have is based on fallacy, I am the intolerant one.
These folks are absolutist. There is no room for difference with these folks. I will admit that I might be wrong. I fully and freely admit that I do not know all.
But there is no room for doubt with these folks. Therefore, I become the enemy. The hated one.
They preach. They give their story. They’ll demand that you listen, that you give them your time. When you attempt to give your side, they will not listen. Their minds close as tightly as their eyes, ears and hearts.
And then I become the evil one.
For most of these people, these are mere tools with which they bash the opponent. You are required to tolerate and accept their ideas. They require that you dismiss yours.