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Foolish Infidels

In thinking out loud on February 6, 2012 at 7:21 pm

If anyone secretly entices you–even if it is your brother, your father’s son or your mother’s son, or your own son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your most intimate friend– saying, “Let us go worship other gods,” whom neither you nor your ancestors have known,

any of the gods of the peoples that are around you, whether near you or far away from you, from one end of the earth to the other, you must not yield to or heed any such persons. Show them no pity or compassion and do not shield them.

But you shall surely kill them; your own hand shall be first against them to execute them, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

Stone them to death for trying to turn you away

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I agree with the Tea Partiers and Neo-Nativists.

Any religion that includes passages such as these
in their Holy Book should be banned from the
United States of America.

These are outdated notions in a world attempting to achieve universal peace and harmony.  Any religion that claims to be
of love and peaceful would recognize that such talk is counter-
productive and would rid itself of such language.

By the way, that passage under the photo is straight
out of the Bible (Deuteronomy 13:6).

A most excellent passage from the New Testament would seem to apply here:

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Jesus of Nazereth

Matthew 7:5

No Conversion, Please: “I believe that there is no such thing as conversion from one faith to another in the accepted sense of the word.      It is a highly personal matter for the individual and his God. I may not have any design upon my neighbour as to his faith, which I must honour even as I honour my own. Having reverently studied the scriptures of the world I could no more think of asking a Christian or a Musalman, or a Parsi or a Jew to change his faith than I would think of changing my own.” (Harijan: September 9, 1935)

All Religions are True: “I came to the conclusion long ago … that all religions were true and also that all had some error in them, and whilst I hold by my own, I should hold others as dear as Hinduism. So we can only pray, if we are Hindus, not that a Christian should become a Hindu … But our innermost prayer should be a Hindu should be a better Hindu, a Muslim a better Muslim, a Christian a better Christian.” (Young India: January 19, 1928)

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I wonder how many will have the courage to forward this on to friends and relatives.  ; )  No guilt from me.  Do as you wish.  God won’t hate you.  God won’t love you more.  You won’t get good luck or bad.  No car will come crashing through the front of your house and you won’t go bald or become impotent if you don’t forward this.  You won’t lose your your job, your wife or your dog if you don’t forward this.  You won’t win the lottery or a get laid if you do send it forward.  You’ll simply have forwarded on something for others to think about.

The Heretic

(I sent this out as an email.   I wonder if it will make it back to me someday as a forward.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Do Muslims Love Their Children?

In thinking out loud on January 28, 2012 at 6:00 pm

We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.

~ Golda Meir

Do Muslims of the Middle East love their children?  I am often perplexed by this question as it often seems as though Muslims hate with much more vehemence than they love.  Muslims often seem to have a greater love of martyrdom than of life.  This great love of martyrdom seems to extend to their attitudes and behavior towards their children.

Arabs, or rather Muslims, regularly send their children to their deaths as suicide bombers into crowded markets of their own people.   They send their airplanes into towers in the cities of other nations.  There is much evidence that Muslims have targeted women in Iraq.  The offending parties find women who are easy victims.  They rape these women.  Another woman who is in on the scam will tell this woman that she is shamed, spoiled, worthless.  She’s been raped, she’ll never find a husband.  Never have a family.  Better that she give her life for Allah and become a martyr.  This victim then becomes victim again and is sent as a human missile into the midst of fellow Muslims to explode into so many pieces of wasted potential.  Convinced in her grief and shame that by murdering these fellow Muslims that she will find paradise waiting for her in the hereafter.

Afghan and Paki Taliban often target young children.  They give them a basket full of clothes and tell the child to deliver the basket to an Afghan National Police Check Point.  Unbeknownst to the child, within the folds of the clothing is hidden a bomb.  The package is detonated as the child is delivering the basket.  Not after the package has been delivered, but, while it is still in the hands of the child.  The Taliban blow the child into “martyrdom” and  “paradise” along with the adult Afghans at the check point.  Worse yet, they convince some of these children that the bomb will not kill them, but,  that the bomb will kill only the infidel.  These are crimes against humanity to the Nth degree.  The Palestinians have not shied away from sending children off to martyrdom’s paradise either.

Iranian children during the Iran-Iraq War were “volunteered” for service on the front lines as mine clearers.  Iranian Leaders asked the Umma, or faithful, of Shi’a Iran to send their children to the battlefields to be martyred for the Great Ayatollah Khomeini.  For certainly, they were assured of paradise as martyrs for the Great Iranian Revolution.  These children were rolled up in blankets and told to roll over the ground where the Military suspected or knew there were minefields so that the THE CHILDREN would detonate mines before the Iranian Army marched or drove their vehicles through.  No, the children did not survive the blast, but, it was ok.  They were on their way to paradise.  I don’t know what a 12 year old Child would do with his or her 72 Virgins.  These were Children!  Aged 12-13.

It’s an honest question.  It’s a simple question.  Do Muslims love their Children?  If Ayatollah Sistani tells the Muslims of Iraq to send theirr children into minefields, will “good Muslims” heed the call?  If al Sadr or Khamanei tells “good Muslims” to send their toddlers into the road with a bomb strapped to their waist and they will be martyrs and go straight to paradise, will “good Muslims” comply?

A Muslim daughter dishonors her father.  She is often murdered for this great crime.  Often the incident that brings dishonor is conjured, a lie or simply a man wishing to possess a woman.  Other times, the shame is brought on by the woman’s rejection of a male Muslim.  Is the honor of a Muslim Father so great that his daughter deserves death for bringing dishonor?  If a young Muslim woman marries a non-Muslim or is simply “too Western,” is that truly deserving of her death?  Is a Muslim woman of so little value in Islam?  Is the honor of a Muslim Man worth so much more than the life of his daughter or sister?

Is Muslim hatred for Israel, the West and/or the United States so great that it outweighs their love for their children?  Are the lives of Muslim children worth less than a Great Victory over Saddam Hussein, the Great Shaitan or some other infidel?

Do Muslims love their children?

It’s a simple question.  It should have a simple answer.

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Israel: An Apartheid State?

In thinking out loud on January 16, 2012 at 12:01 am

Next they’ll be telling us that America is an Apartheid State.  Transy-Progs really are stupid.

Having visited Israel several times, I can tell you that it is not an Apartheid State.

Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and a whole slew of other Muslim Nations…well, I can’t vouch for them.  I can only say that they oppress and repress any form of religion, action or thought that aren’t conducive to Islam or being a good Muslim.  They have religious police.  They have chastity police.  They have people who run around beating and arresting folks for such heinous acts as holding hands in public or hair hanging out of your hijab.   You know.  Those kinds of terrible crimes.

God forbid if you are a homosexual or if you are caught in the company of the opposite sex and he/she isn’t your blood relative.  It’s off to prison and torture for you.

A Palestinian State would be an exact replica of Saudi Arabia or Iran.

And bringing another abortion of a nation such as these is why the idiotic leftists are fighting Israel.

Morons!

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Religion: A Choice Guide

In Humor, Religion, Useful Information on January 11, 2012 at 9:06 am

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Atheists, Christians and Muslims

In Awesome, culture, Holidays, Humor, Introduction, islam, Religion, Spirituality, Stupidity, thinking out loud, Useful Information on July 28, 2011 at 4:42 pm

Learn to live with each other and accept each other or please just shut the fuck up!  As a person who thinks all of your belief systems or lackthereof is mere fantasy, scifi mumbo jumbo, I could care less which of you wins in the end.

As long as you leave me the fuck alone and let me live my life they way I see fit.  I don’t care how you do or do not worship.  Nor do I care how pathetically hypocritical you each live your beliefs and lives.


I’m a fairly vocal individual about my beliefs. I’ve rarely had anyone challenge me or attempt to do me harm because of them.   I’ve argued/debated with Muslims, Atheists, Christians, Mormons, Buddhists and a Zoroastrian or two. Though, I’ve never had a Jehovah’s Witness with the balls to stick around and discuss religion with me.

Where the fuck is all of this discrimination?

Maybe I’m just a dickhead who scares the shit out of people. Fuck, I don’t know. I’ve just never had anyone come at me and tell me that since I do not believe as they do that I can’t have this job or join in on this outing or this party or what have you. If they did, they’d feel my dissatisfaction immediately.

I don’t remember a situation in school where my beliefs really mattered for shit. We didn’t pray in school. When I was 5-12 in Elementary School, I vaguely remember reciting the Pledge of Allegiance out loud. Can’t remember when it stopped. I didn’t give a fuck about it.  Though, sometimes, it made me feel proudly patriotic and gave me a good positive vibe for the rest of the day.   I stood up and looked at all the cute girls around me and attempted to stifle yawns and keep the snot from rolling out of my nose and down my chin as I mouthed the words.

Where the fuck do all of these things happen?

Was I just lucky?

We had Black, White and Asian classmates at Franklin Elementary School. We had a kid named Israel and I thought it was a cool name because of it’s Biblical associations. Had a Black Girl named Jerry Butler. She had a guys name and we sometimes teased her because of it. We had a guy named Stacy and we teased him because he had a girls name.  We had a girl who always had boogers hanging from her nose and she liked to pick them and eat them. We had two really cute girls who were all the rave. We had one guy who smelled like poop whom we called “Poopy Pants Jones.” We had one gal who had buck teeth at whom we sometimes yelled “Barbara Ward…phuh phuh…Bugs Bunny….phuh phuh!!!”  (She grew up to be quite pretty, if I remember correctly.  Though, I’ve not seen most of these people in over two decades.)

We had a couple of girls and boys who were extremely bright and whom everyone always thought would go places….some did and one went exactly weird but followed his own path and is doing quite well.

I was a solitary little fucker who had enough friends but didn’t really study hard and was shy as ten motherfuckers so I wouldn’t participate in much because it freaked me out. I’m sure there were a few people like me. I’d do just well enough to get along and for people to leave me alone.

Most of us experienced a bully or two or a situation that was embarrassing or two or three or four experiences of that sort.

Shit like that.  Normal fuckin’ life situations.

None of us filed a fucking lawsuit. None of us committed suicide. None of us brought a fuckin’ gun to school and started shooting motherfucker’s whom we didn’t like or who had bullied us.  Though, now that I’m 210lbs and 6′ and can bench most than most fucks my age, there is one guy whom I’d like to go back and bitch slap.  Just for old times sake.

And I came from a family with an Alcoholic father. I moved something like 40 fuckin’ times from birth to HS grad. Damn near half of the kids from my youth had family problems ranging from abusive fathers to absentee parents to drunken alcoholic fathers.  We didn’t kill our teachers because of it or go postal or whine for two decades about it.  We drove the fuck on!

I still do not recall a single instance of anyone giving a fuck if I were an atheist or a Christian or a fuckin’ Muslim. Though, I do recall one Muslim family at Barrett Middle School or Ballard HS. I think they were immigrants from Indonesia.  And I thought they were vaguely interesting and exotic because of their religion.   I’ve always thought that Jehovah’s Witnesses were strange.  All secretive and whatnot.  But I didn’t unfriend Sam when I learned that he was one.  Hell, I grew up Pentecostle.  You want to talk about fuckin’ strange.  Folks runnin’ up and down the aisle like they’re possessed.  Yelling in fake languages.  “Hikama Hakama…seekama sockama!  YOU”RE HEALED!!!”

Jimmy Swaggert bopped my head so hard “healing” me that I thought it was gonna pop off and roll down the aisle like a bowlin’ ball.

When I lived in Atlanta for a few months one year. I think when I was 13 or 14, we moved into a place that had boatloads (pun intended) of immigrants from all over. We had Hindus, Muslims and fuckin’ everything else.

I don’t recall anyone really giving a fuck about anyone’s religion.

Why, over the past two decades, when we’re supposed to be such a fuckin’ tolerant goddamn society has this become such an issue?

It seems to me that people just want to feel special. So instead of just sucking it up when they say the Pledge of Allegiance and assigning their own meaning to “God” or saying “one Nation,……., indivisible”….now they want everyone to know and acknowledge that they’re fuckin’ special and that they believe or don’t believe this or that.

Who gives a fuck?

Suck it up.

A Manger scene at a Fire Station. I pass one up and I think; “Fuck! It’s already Christmas!” I don’t think; “Those fucking CHRISTIANS! They can’t get away with this! I’m filing a goddamn motherfuckin’ goddamn law suit!”

FUCK ME!

TOLERANCE MY ASS!!!!

INTOLERANCE IS WHAT THIS SHIT IS ALL ABOUT!

These fucks want everyone else to “tolerate” them as they go out of their way to be intolerable to everyone else.

FUCK ALL OF THESE BASTARdS!!!

MERRY FUCK YOU! ONE AND ALL!!!!

HAHAHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

God damn that felt good…

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Casualties of the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan

In Afghanistan, Central Asia, Middle East, Military, Politics, Stupidity, thinking out loud, War on June 28, 2011 at 4:58 am

Scenes like this are ubiquitous in Afghanistan.  Old shells of Soviet Armor and Trucks.  Every type of Soviet Equipment can be found out there.  Aircraft down at Bagram.  Personal and Crew Served Weapons of various sorts are everywhere.  Bridging equipment.  Soviet Armor and Personnel Carriers.  Soviet Mobile Kitchen Trailers.  Everything needed to field an invasion.  The Soviets left much behind when the hightailed it across the Amu Darya in ’88 or ’89.

Now it’s all rusting out on Afghan Bases, outside the Herat Airport and across the highways and byways of the country.

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Two Rocks

In Afghanistan, culture, Humor, Middle East, Travel, Useful Information on May 27, 2011 at 12:08 am

OK…

See the two rocks…

Well, some Muslims believe that it is forbidden to touch the penis (even one’s own penis) with one’s hands.

In order to urinate, they’ll take two rocks and hold their penis.

Being the polite and considerate culture that Islam is…they leave the rocks in the toilet so that they’ll be conveniently available for others.

Yes! The next guy WILL use those same two rocks to hold his penis.

And the next one…and the next one…and the next one…lol

Crazy Scheit!!!

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Religion in 6 Frames

In islam, Religion, Stupidity, thinking out loud on February 13, 2011 at 9:51 pm

Right on target!

“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
- Denis Diderot

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Is Islam THE Problem?

In Afghanistan, Central Asia, islam, Middle East, Military, Politics, Religion, Stupidity, thinking out loud, War on December 13, 2010 at 12:01 am
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Current Ass Kisser in Chief

No, I don’t think that to be the case.  It’s not really about Islam generally speaking.

It’s more complicated than that.

Islam.  Muslims.  They’re not bad folks and many of them are damn fine people.

The problem that we won’t face is the Nejd.

Why?

Saudi Arabia owns it and has BLACK GOLD.

Also, the official religion of Saudi Arabia is the same form of Islam from which sprang all of the Fundamentalist Thugs who are terrorists.  Saudi Arabia is a State Sponsor of Terrorism.

BUT because they have oil.  It’s the truth that shall remain unspoken.

It is the evil with no name.

To speak it’s name is to reveal the truth.

It’s easier to keep the public ignorant and let a few hundred or a few thousand die at a time and keep the pipe line open to “cheap” oil.

What’s a few thousand civilians to Big Business and Big Government.  Most of the ones who die don’t pay taxes or pay negligible taxes anyway.  They don’t matter.

Saudi Arabia is the monster.  Wahhabism is their little secret Dr. Frankenstein.  Islamic Fundamentalism is the monster escaped from it’s dungeon.

It’s escaped before and the Muslims themselves went in and killed thousands of them in the Nejd while the Brits killed thousand more in the NWFP and the FATA in Central Asia.

Today, though, we choose to ignore the belly of the beast and instead, we “combat” the excretions.

Thousands, no, hundreds of thousands have died in the past 10 years.

Why?

To keep that Saudi oil pipeline open.

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Obama receives the Honorary Order of the Saudi Boot Licker

 

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For those of you who have no clue as to where Saudi Arabia is located.

 

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From Cairo to Istanbul in 28 Days

In Holidays, islam, Middle East, Religion, Spirituality, thinking out loud, Travel, Unny on November 23, 2010 at 1:05 am

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We flew from Bangkok to Cairo on the 21st of September.  On the first day, we tripped around to Giza and the City of the Dead.  Later that evening, we took the train to Aswan.  Along the way, we stopped at Abo Simbel, Luxor, Karnak, Philae, Deendeera, Abydos, Hurghada and finally flew to Alexandria.  We spent two days touring Alexandria.  Taking in the new Library of Alexandria and Fort Qutbay as well as the Greek and Roman Catacombs under the city.  We drove from Alex. back to Cairo where we toured the city in detail (Muhammad Ali Mosque, the Giza Plateau, Pyramids and Sphinx, Saladin’s Citadel, etc).  We also took in Sakkara and Memphis and viewed the Red and Bent Pyramids as well as the Alabaster Sphinx and the Statue of Ramses II along with the Ziggurat of Zoser and the surrounding pyramids.

Then we were off to Israel.  We spent about 5 days in Jerusalem viewing the old City and took day tours out to Nazareth, Akko (Acre), Ceaserea, the Dead Sea, the Jordan River and Masada.  We met an old friend (Mali) from my days in the MFO in the Sinai.  And we got the excellent airport treatment for which Tel Aviv is so famous.  But that’s a story for another day.

Finally, we were on to Turkey.  I wanted to see the Hagia Sofia.  Primarily.  That said, I was a bit anxious about Turkey.  I’ve been to quite a few Muslim countries and Islam hangs over them like a pall.  I don’t particularly care for it.  It’s quite heavy and puts a damper on things.  Israel did not have this except in the Palestinian areas of the Old City in Jerusalem.

We arrived in Turkey and I was quite pleasantly surprised.  Islam is an undercurrent in Istanbul.  They’re Muslim.  You know it.  They know it.  No one gives a damn.  I like that.  It’s how it should be with all religion and it’s how it is in most non-Muslim places.

It was refreshing.  I don’t think I saw but 10 Chadori/Hijab wearing women and they all seemed to be tourists.  Nothing oppressive in Turkey about religion.  They seem to all get along.  I met quite a few Nestorian Christians and they had the same attitude.  We’re Christians.  So what!  There’s none of the demand that their religion be respected at all cost.  I like that.

Turkey was clean as well.  That’s another thing about Muslim countries.  They’re dirty and run down.  Even newer places.  It’s as if Allah has declared that “thou shalt not do maintenance.”  lol  Cairo is the worst.  They built the city hundreds of years ago atop ruins.  They didn’t remove anything.  They cleared no land.  Just started building atop the rubble.  When those buildings started falling apart, they just built around them.  And the dirt and grime.  It’s everywhere.

Not so in Istanbul.  It’s a beautifully maintained city.  Clean streets.

And the people.  Everyone was so nice.  And they smiled.  Very few mean spirited folks or scammers around.  As a matter of fact, I can’t remember anyone even attempting a scam on us.  We asked directions when we were lost and we were simply given directions.

The food was great as well.  They had these pancakes with beef or veggies or jellies. Whatever you wanted.  AND THEY WERE DELICIOUS.  Of course, the Lamb Kabob was excellent.  I ate so much kabob, I thought I was going to explode.

The Hagia Sofia or Aya Sofia was wondrous.  Incredible.  Amazing.  It was gargantuan.  The famous religious depictions were beautiful.  Centuries old Art.

The Blue Mosque or Suleimein.  One of the most beautiful structures I have had the pleasure to visit.  More lovely inside than the Mohammad Ali Mosque in Cairo.  Insanely intricate and well maintained as well.  Simply beautiful.  Can’t say it enough.

We walked around the city several times. Stopped by a few museums.  The Istanbul Archaeological Museum was huge.  Relics from Troy, Persia, the Ottomans, the Greeks, the Romans, and everything in between.  It was amazing.

Then we went up the hill to the Topkapi Palace.  I didn’t know much about it.  I knew it was supposed to be gorgeous and historical.  I hadn’t researched it.  We almost didn’t go.  Huge mistake.  If you make it to Istanbul, you must go to the Topkapi Palace.   Aside from it’s beauty and historocity.  It has what are called “The Sacred Trusts.”

The Sacred Trusts are actual artifacts handed down (or stolen) from Empire to Empire from the time of Mohammad.  His clothing.  His water bowl.  The plates off of which he ate.  And not only Mohammad.  There are relics from Fatima and “the Companions.”

That is some serious history.

There are also pieces of the Kaba’a from Mekkah and old keys and locks to the Kaba’a and the Grand Mosque there in Mekkah.

Treasures all.

I could scarcely believe my eyes when I walked in this room.  When I laid my eyes upon the Sword of Mohammad, I thought I was seeing things.  I had to rub my eyes.  Take my glasses off and clean them and take a second to let it sink in.

Imagine finding the sword of Genghis Khan or Alexander the Great.  Imagine finding the actual clothing that Jesus wore or the actual cup and plate from the last supper.

I’m no believer in any of these religions, but, I have a keen interest in history.  As a personality from an earlier age and a great historical interest, I have much respect for Mohammad.  He built an empire from nothing.  He created a religion and a culture which has lasted for over 1300 years.  It’s not his fault that his religion and his culture has been hi-jacked by complete asses like Osama bin Laden, the House of Saud and the followers of al Wahhab.  That’s not to mention the Iranian fools.  And, still yet, it doesn’t take into account the idiotic Apologists in Europe and America who sell their lies to an ignorant populace.

At any rate, it was a singular experience for me to be able to gaze upon the Swords that Mohammad and his companions used to rise up out of the desert and plant the seed that created one of the worlds greatest empires.

I was awe stricken.

After Istanbul, it was on to Ephesus to see the Greek Ruins, the House of Mary where Jesus’ Mother supposedly lived out her last days and the Temple of Artemis.  Next day it was on to Pammakule.   These places are so full of history and culture that there is no possible way for me to do them justice.  The Temple of Artemis is one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World.

In this trip, we’d been fortunate enough to visit 3 of the 7 Wonders of the Ancient World.  The Temple of Artemis, The Pharos of Alexandria (Fort Qutbay) and the Pyramids at Giza.

In my estimation, Abo Simbel is a great worthy of this acclamation as well.  Abo Simbel is a wonder of any age much less to marvel that it was built thousands of years ago.  But then again, Egypt is full of wonders that defy description, dazzle the eye and boggle the mind.

From Cairo to Istanbul in 28 Days.  This was a great trip and we all very much enjoyed ourselves.

Hope you enjoy the pictures…Dave

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(some of the pics in the slideshow are from earlier trips to Paris, Rome, Athens, Santorini, etc)

 

 

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Political and Religious Discussion

In Middle East, Military, Politics, Religion, Spirituality, Stupidity, thinking out loud on November 11, 2010 at 4:46 am

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I have discussed religion and politics around the world with people with whom I have no reason to expect agreement.

China

Thailand

Korea

Afghanistan

Turkey

Israel

Egypt

Cambodia

Greece

Italy

France

Yet, I’ve never been in a fight.  And I don’t really hold back on that which I believe.

For instance, I know for a fact that I disagree with most Europeans with whom I come into contact over Israel.  Yet, I discuss and we’ve discussed without it becoming a problem.  This is in personal, face to face conversation.  Yet, on the internet, it always turns ugly.  Why is this?  I’m constantly attacked and called a “cunt” on the ‘net.  Especially on websites such as ThailandFriends.com.

It seems that on the net.  Where one can be as ugly as possible without physical repercussions, the folks get ugly almost immediately.  Without thought.  A few folks on this website in particular are guilty of this.  One can not speak of Islam without an onslaught of insult.  If you ever go there, Ciaran, Beej and Pee Marc are the most egregious examples of this inability to discuss subjects intelligently and amicably.  I’ve discussed the pros and cons of Islam with Muslims in Muslim lands and have never been insulted as much.   What’s even more hilarious is that one mention of Islam brings about attacks on Christianity.  I’m not Christian.  So the tactic does not work.

I find it ever more hilarious that one of these guys has as part of his Artistic portraiture a picture of Jesus made up of dollar bills and another print/creation of Shell with blood as oil.  Yet, he doesn’t stop to consider that the Holy Keepers and Sacred Defenders of Islam known as Saudi Arabia are the folks who benefit most from the bloody old trade.  It’s the Saudis who benefit most from oil and have since their unholy alliance with FDR.  Yet, he attacks the dollar and Jesus when it is the Saudi denomination in both money and religion that benefits most from the dollar.  Perhaps, he’s too stupid to realize this.  The House of Saud, Mohammad and Islam had benefited most from oil.

Then again, most ideologically pure folks are too blind to realize their stupidity.

Which leads to the question?  Why?

What is it about White Anglo Saxon Protestants and other Europeans that lead them to attack those who question Islam more vociferously than even Muslims themselves.  Muslims are capable of self examination.  It seems that White Europeans and their cousins in America are not capable of this.  It’s a quandary with which I am not particularly capable of answering.  Are these folks so emotionally crippled by their guilt over past “sins” that they are incapable of questioning the present.  What is it?

I am truly perplexed by this strange phenomenon.  Will some European please explain it to me without becoming enraged and simply calling me a cunt.  lol

It’s quite hilarious.  So, if you want to debase yourself by calling me a cunt.  Please do so.  I will laugh it off and spread further the Euro apoplexy.  If someone with the intelligence and the ability to emotionally separate oneself from their ideology could explain this strange phenomenon to me could be so kind, I would truly appreciate it.

I’m curious.  perhaps, they are so anti-West and so elitist and so bigoted that they can’t see that those whom they seek to “protect” are just as illegitimate and just as corrupt as those against whom, in their impotence, they rebel.

Peace….Dave

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On Religious Tolerance and Acceptance

In culture, islam, Politics, Religion, Spirituality, Stupidity, thinking out loud on November 1, 2010 at 12:01 am

Muslims can be tolerant and Muslims can avoid hostility towards others. To do so, they must disregard whole passages in their Qu’ran.

The same is true of Christians and Christianity.

Both are world devouring religions. Anyone who denies this is denying the message of their religion. Both religions teach that they are the true religion and that all others are false. There is no tolerance in that dogma. Both preach that unbelievers, heretics and infidels are going to hell. Both agree that homosexuality is an abomination. Both are patriarchal versions on life that preach that the man is the leader of the household. Both call the other and all others false.

The ultimate goal of both religions is the conversion/reversion of all of the peoples of the world. Both have tried to convert by force of Arms. One is attempting to do so today.

I know this will offend the Islamophiles and Christians on this board. If you are honest with yourself, you will admit the truth of it, though.

There is simply no room for tolerance in either religion for true believers. For those who pick and choose what they wish from the religions, tolerance and the better form acceptance is possible. For those who take a literal view, tolerance is only a stop gap. Acceptance is impossible.

Therefore, in the end, neither religion can truly tolerate the other or any other. All of this talk of tolerance and acceptance is merely chimerical voodoo. It merely delays the inevitable conflict.

America preaches freedom of religion. We practice it as well. For the most part. Reality on the ground is that all are free to practice their religion of choice in America. Practitioners are not free from criticism. Neither are they free from attack. Physical, spiritual or otherwise.

One is free to choose. Free to practice. Free to preach.

This freedom is only possible in the West. In the lands occupied by Islam, this is not possible. Islam prohibits this. Islam prohibits proselytizing of other faiths. Islam severely restricts the practice of other religions. Muslims scream to the high heavens about tolerance in the West. In the East/Occupied Lands, they speak not of tolerance. They act as if it is the natural order that no other be allowed to freely preach their religion or seek converts. Even in the most Western or least Islamically dogmatic countries such as Egypt and Turkey, seeking converts is problematic. One’s life is at risk.

Yet, Muslims and in some cases the same Muslims who would react violently to Christians proselytyzing in Muslim lands come to America and abuse our freedoms in order to seek converts (reverts) to their religion.

When do we start to hold them to account for their actions. They come here and are allowed to build their Mosques and bristle at any criticism and any challenge to their aggressive campaigns against other religions. Then they go home and act in the exact opposite manner that they expect Westerners to act towards them in the West.

Eventually, the two systems must clash.

Either that or Christianity lays down and Islam becomes the dominant religion on the planet.

What happens then?

Is an Islamic America still America or is it simply another Muslim Occupancy wherein Sharia becomes the law of the land?

Imagine a majority Muslim America. How long do the freedoms and liberty last?

On the other hand, imagine a truly Christian America. How long til freedoms are reversed. Christians led by the Republican Party wish to add religious laws to our legal code. They wish to make homosexuality a legal abomination. They wish to reverse divorce laws. There is much, much more that Christians speak to when they are amongst themselves.

Both of these patriarchal religions are intolerant and un-accepting of any other order. Both wish to re-make the world in their chosen religions image.

That! I find dangerous and offensive.

Christians at this moment use the systems in place to further their agenda. Muslims are beginning to do so. Muslims are a minority in America for the foreseeable future. And thank the Gods this is so. I’ve lived and traveled in Muslim lands. I can tell you for certain that not many of you would be comfortable in these places.

Neither would I be comfortable in a truly Christian land.

I am comfortable in America. For now. If the Right gets it’s way, there may come a day when America becomes unpalatable to me.

That day is not yet here. Thankfully, the radical Christians are peaceable for the most part and are willing to use the systems in place to further their agenda.

There are no true Christian lands. There are only lands wherein Christians live. Such has not always been the case. I would say that I hope this trend never reverses itself.

As well, I hope that Islam does not make any further advances. That includes Israel.

Every land wherein Islam is the power is a backward place. I’ve been to most of them. There is a reason for this and it isn’t Colonization by Western powers. The backwardness of these provinces of man are the reason that they were so easily colonized.

Islam is a danger. It’s not the danger that is preached by the Homeland Security types. It may come to pass that is becomes that great a danger. This is why I am against any Wahhabi mosque being established in America. Wahhabism is the greatest evil of all time. And it is not a new evil. It is a yoke on the spirit and free will of mankind. It is violent. It carries with it death.

IT is worth fighting on all fronts. It is worth laying aside tolerance and acceptance and becoming intolerant and unaccepting. Wahhabism should never be allowed on our shores.

It is too late for this as in our weakness and folly, we have allowed it to reach our shores.

The backlash that could occur here is dangerous. People could flee to Christianity and become rigid. Freedoms could be lost in our search for security against the very danger that we invited in to our home.

Think hard about these things.

The threat is there. It is looming. It very well may bring us down.

Rome did not think she would fall to the Barbarians. Britain laughed at the Colonists as well as at Gandhi. The Holy Roman Empire and the Christian Kingdoms of Europe laughed once at Islam.  The Roman Pagans once laughed at and persecuted Christians.

We are there again.

Laugh at your peril. Dismiss the danger at your peril.

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America is not to Blame for Islamic Extremism

In Afghanistan, Central Asia, Introduction, islam, Middle East, Military, Politics, Religion, Spirituality, Stupidity, thinking out loud, Useful Information, War on November 1, 2010 at 12:01 am

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Islamic Extremism began before America was founded. It existed in our early days.  It was there in the Barbary Pirates.  It was there before our Revolution in the Nejd being fought against by other Muslims.  It existed long before we started our foray into the World as a power of any great importance (real or imagined).

Islamic Extremism has been there since the beginning of Islam.  Islam was born in blood.  It was born extreme.  The first act of Muhammad was to use Islam as a tool to capture Mekkah and to turn the pagan shrines there into Islamic Shrines with the Ka’aba as it’s center.

What we know in the modern era as Islamic Extremism was started by al Wahhab.  Al Wahhab was a Cleric born in the late 1700s.  He assisted the Saudi Family in their ultimately successful efforts to conquer Arabia.  Afterwards, his adherents became so violent that they were put down by the Egyptians at the behest and with the approval and thanks of the Ottomans.

The Muslim Brotherhood traces it’s philosophical founding to al Wahhab.  All Islamic Terrorism groups not sponsored directly by Iran and even some of those such as Hezbollah, the Quds Force and Hamas trace their philosophical foundings and their violence back through the Muslim Brotherhood to al Wahhab.

I find it amusing when Westerners who are wholly ignorant of the history of Islam and it’s people wax poetic about how America or the West is to blame for Islamic Extremism.

http://hereticdhammasangha.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/onward20muslim20soldiers.jpg?w=191&h=293Islam began as a tiny desert cult or sect in the deserts of Arabia.  It conquered it’s way via Holy War from Central Asia and Western China to India and Indonesia to parts of Southeast Asia thorugh Asia Minor into Eastern Europe down through the Middle East and the Levant to North Africa and into the African Interior ending in Spain.

This peaceful religion then sided with the Germans in both World Wars I and II.  Syria and Egypt then sided with communism and the Soviet Union.

I suppose that is peaceful as compared to a pacifist community or two…

Currently, Islam is used to justify African Slavery, Holy Jihad and suicide bombs, Airplane Hi Jackings, Clitorectomies on young women, the chattel slavery and oppression of millions of women across the Islamic world and in the West, execution of homosexuals, honor killings of sisters, mothers and wives for the slightest of reasons.

It is a given that not all Muslims practice these things or approve of such things.  It is a given that the leadership of Islam is weak and vacillating.  Relying on oppression and duplicity to remain in power.

Yes, Christians have done ugly things as well.  That said, Christians, for the most part, are not doing these things now.

There is no mainstream movement in Christianity that calls for the Bible as Christian Law.  No mainstream movement that calls for the execution of infidels, homosexuals or women based on Christian law.

This does not exist in the West.  Not in the mainstream.

There are loons and fools a plenty.  None of them get the time of day from the majority of the Western World including adherents to the Christian faith.

The world would be better off without Islam and Christianity.  That much I believe.  Individual Christians and even smaller organizations are fine.  It is primarily the politicized and the mainstream fundamentalist Christians with whom I have a problem.  Christianity has done much harm.  The belief in Jesus of Nazareth and those who follow the actual teachings of Christ have been a great boon to the world at large.  Christianity as we know it is a perversion created by the State of Rome as a mechanism of control.  It was also used by the Monarchies of Europe to further their power and political aims.  Jesus, I believe, would not approve of what we have called Christianity for the past 1600 plus years.

We’d find others things over which to fight.

The West is not to blame for Islamic Extremism.

America is not to blame for Islamic Extremism.  It pre-dates America herself and it certainly pre-dates American Global Power.

Someone someday might successfully explain to me how something that existed before her birth is the fault of America.  As of this date, no such person has arisen.

Only fools who know nothing of history.

Not all Muslims are enemies of Liberty and Freedom.  Not all Muslims would force their brand of religion on others.  Even so, there are many Muslims who would.  Radicals are always the more powerful force in history.  Moderates will usually fight for nothing.  Pacifists will not fight.  Those who believe in nothing will not fight for their vision of life on the planet.

This is the danger of Islamic Extremism.  The radicals are willing to fight and to die for that in which they believe.  Ignore that at your own peril–as many have done before.

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You Will Be Losers

In islam, Middle East, Quotes, Religion, Stupidity on October 23, 2010 at 7:33 pm

This sign is right outside of the Church of the Annunciation in Nazareth

Smells like tolerance to me…

Speaks volumes to the propaganda of certain parties and their agenda to turn the tide of public opinion against Israel.  Arabs/Muslims in Israel are as tolerated/accepted and as free as those in Europe and the United States.  That tolerance, acceptance and freedom ends when the Muslims resort to acts of terror.

I felt completely safe in most of Israel.  The only time that I felt endangered was around Palestinians because they noted that I was an American and had been a soldier by a pin I was wearing and my bearing.

In the end, Israel creates life out of the desert.  Palestine does nothing but destroys and tears down.  The Palestinian leadership would much rather destroy itself battering itself against Israel than build it’s people up and create a Palestinian Nation.

That is the major difference to me.

LOSER

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Shadow War against al Qaeda

In Afghanistan, islam, Middle East, Military, Politics, Religion, Stupidity, thinking out loud, War on October 20, 2010 at 12:01 am

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I disagree with waging this “Shadow War” against al Qaeda.

Announce to the world that it is our intention to destroy al Qaeda.  They attacked our Nation.  They declared War.  We did not.  This is the War desired by Osama bin Laden and his motley crue of Wahhabist thieves, cuthroats and murderers.  They wanted it.  They got it.

Announce that we will strike al Qaeda wherever they exist.  Wherever they hide.  In any hole.  On any mountain.  On any sea.  In any place where al Qaeda deems it necessary to plant a parasitic, violent bud, we shall strike to root it out before it takes root.

Announce that if al Qaeda is allowed to plant operatives or to exist unmolested by the local populace, said populace will be accountable for the actions of al Qaeda and said population will be accountable for any and all deaths resulting from al Qaeda and their brothers and sisters.  The fault lies with the folks who cooperate with al Qaeda.

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Tell the NGOs and Humitarian Organizations of whatever stripe that we do no hold ourselves accountable for the deaths surrnouding al Qaeda.  Whether it be bullets, cluster bombs or fragments of US munitions or suicide vests and IEDs from insurgents or al Qaeda operatives.

We did not want this war.  Nevertheless, we have it.  We intend to prosecute the war to it’s conclusion.  The conclusion is the destruction of al Qaeda and it’s subordinate and parallel organizaations in whatever part of the world it may exist.

After that announcement is made, we, The United States of America, should bomb the Nejd and every place sacred to the Wahhabis.  We should invade Saudi Arabia and hold Mekkah hostage all the while allowing the Hajj to continue unmolested.  Circulate rumours that we have planted a nuclear device under the Ka’aba along with the intent to detonate said device should a strike occur on US soil.

Also, we should pull out all military resources that protect or support or otherwise maintains the power of any Islamic despot.  From Cairo to Iraq and Afghanistan.  Tell the people of the Islamic World that their governance is now up to them.  If they show that they are worthy and willing to fight for Democracy and their share of the delights of Liberty and Freedom that we will at a time, deemed opportune to us, intercede on their behalf.  We will support no country that has as a defining point in their National Statement or

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beliefs the destruction of Israel or any other Democracy.  Period.  We will support no Nation that has as part of it’s Constitiution

Immediately halt all support for Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq until they actually come on line with a WESTERN AGENDA as opposed to an Islamist agenda.  I would like to end all support of Islamic Countries period.  I would include the protection of their shipping on the sea lanes.  Let Iran fight it out with the Sunnis and afterward step in to pick up the pieces.  These parties would slaughter each other.    The West should precipitate such a crisis and then step in and pick up the pieces after they’ve murdered 2/3rds of each others populations.

Shariah Law.  We will support no Nation which has as part of it’s national belief system the enslavement or disenfranchisement of minorities or women.

After this, we strike out at al Qaeda wherever they surface.  If locals are killed.  It is their fault for not having rooted out al Qaeda or for having allowed al Qaeda to plant roots.

Eventually, they’ll get the message.  If al Qaeda is there, missiles will rain down in holy terror.  If no al Qaeda is there, no missiles will arrinve.

We must halt our support of terrorising despots.  We must support freedom and liberty.   We must defeat al Qaeda.

As of now, we are losing this war.  Especially when we allow them to plant their seeds of terror in our own front yard.

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The Sacred Trusts

In culture, islam, Middle East, Military on October 17, 2010 at 12:02 am

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HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!

The TopKapi Palace in Istanbul has a collection called the SACRED TRUSTS.

In this collection are the swords of Hassan, Husayn, Ali, Uthman and many of the other companions of Mohammad.  It also includes the Sword of Mohammad himself in addition to a whole array of other items that were handed down from Dynasty to Dynasty of the Caliphate of the Islamic Empire.

That’s incredible.

It was amazing walking through those rooms.  I had no idea that these things existed.  A real treat for me.  Indeed.

I’ll have to get a copy of the book in order to show it around.  Expensive, big and heavy, though.

Still.  Amazing.  I was awestruck.

 

This is a list of the items on display in this collection:

  • The Holy Mantle
  • The Honored Standard
  • First Manuscripts of Quranic Verses
  • The Letters Of Prophet Muhammad
  • The Sacred Seal
  • The sacred Strands of Hair
  • The Prophet’s Footprint
  • The Sacred Sandals
  • The Bow Of the Prophet
  • The Holy Tooth
  • The staff Of Prophet Muhammad
  • The staff Of Moses
  • The Cooking Vessel Of The Prophet Abraham
  • The Turban of the Prophet Joseph
  • The Prophet John’s (John the Baptist) Forearm and a Fragment Of His Skull
  • The Keys and Locks of the Kaba
  • The water Bag used during the restoration of the Tomb of the Prophet
  • Covers Of Kaba and the tomb of the prophet
  • Soil form the Grave of Prophet Muhammad
  • The Prayer Rug and Bridal Veil of Fatimah al-Zahra
  • The scarf of Aisha bint Abu Bakr
  • Sword Of The Prophet
  • Sword Of Abu bakr al-Siddiq
  • Sword Of Umar ibn al-Khattab
  • Sword Of Uthman ibn Affan
  • Sword Of Ali ibn Abu Talib
  • A Piece of a Mantle Attributed to Husayn ibn Ali
  • A Piece of Earth from Karbala

 

* I don’t know about the Staff of Moses.  Everything else would seem to be original and in decent shape for swords, clothing, etc that are well over 1,000 years old.

 

 

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Tamerlane Macabre

In Afghanistan, Central Asia, culture, Humor, islam, Literature, Middle East, Military, Politics, Quotes, Religion, thinking out loud, Travel, Useful Information, War on August 18, 2010 at 2:40 am

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I was reading Tamerlane ~ Sword of Islam, Conqueror of the World when I came across this passage.  I laughed out loud.  Unny was sitting beside me and looked at me funny.  So I “made” her read the passage. She looked at me like I was an idiot and asked me why it was funny.

I couldn’t really explain why?  It just was….

Tamerlane ~ Sword of Islam, Conqueror of the World

The book was a most entertaining read.  I thoroughly enjoyed it.  Justin Marozzi has a similar style to John Man.  Man writes exhaustively about Central Asia, China, Genghis Khan and his grandson Kublai.

Timur was a madman.  I love the guy.

We need a Timur or a Genghis in our age.  Someone with the balls to do what is necessary rather than politicize and haggle like clucking hens.

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Shadow War

In Afghanistan, islam, Middle East, Military, Religion, War on August 16, 2010 at 6:21 pm

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It sounds awesome.

Is it?

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The Andulusia Delusion

In islam, Middle East, Military, Politics, Religion, Spirituality on August 5, 2010 at 5:38 pm

This is the great house of tolerance from whence the Cordoba Initiative derives it’s name.
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I’m sure it is a great source of pride for Muslims.  It’s an affront to any Christian, Jew and non-Muslims in general.

He may as well call it the Andalusia Initiative.

Andalusia, also known as al Andalus, was the name of that part of Spain conquered by the Muslims.  A piece of the old World of Christians and the West forcibly taken by Islamic Warriors and later retaken by the Spanish.  Cordoba was the greatest of the Cities of Andalusia.  Al Andulus was under Muslim rule from about 711 until 1492.

Why would a tolerant and peace loving Sufi name his initiative after this era of history.  An era of Muslim domination of Christians and southern Spain.  It seems that he is reliant upon the ignorance of the masses to not understand the slight of his name selection.

although Professor Ormsby does offer some muted criticism of Abdul Rauf’s hagiography of Muslim Spain, once again, this critique grossly understates the historical reality and the alarming depth of the distortion:

For example, he heads up a venture called the Cordoba Initiative, inspired by a rose-colored view of medieval Islamic Spain. Of Muslim Cordoba, a city of great and subtle culture but one also riven by ethnic and tribal rivalries, he writes: “For many centuries, Islam inspired a civilization that was particularly tolerant and pluralistic…Great philosophers such as Maimonides were free to create their historic works within the pluralistic culture of Islam.” He sees this as a model for the future but fails to note that Maimonides, the great Jewish philosopher who wrote in Arabic, had to escape Cordoba with his family when a mere teenager because of the intolerance of the Almohad Dynasty, moving first to Fez and finally settling in Cairo.

From the two greatest modern historians of Muslim Spain, Evariste Levi-Provencal8 and Charles Emmanuel Dufourcq,9 we learn the following, all of which occurred before (and thus in addition to) the 12th century Almohad persecutions alluded to by Professor Ormsby:

Iberia (Spain) was conquered in 710-716 AD by Arab tribes originating from northern, central and southern Arabia. Massive Berber and Arab immigration, and the colonization of the Iberian peninsula, followed the conquest. Most churches were converted into mosques. Although the conquest had been planned and conducted jointly with a faction of Iberian Christian dissidents, including a bishop, it proceeded as a classical jihad with massive pillages, enslavements, deportations and killings. Toledo, which had first submitted to the Arabs in 711 or 712, revolted in 713. The town was punished by pillage and all the notables had their throats cut. In 730, the Cerdagne (in Septimania, near Barcelona) was ravaged and a bishop burned alive. In the regions under stable Islamic control, Jews and Christians were tolerated as dhimmis – like elsewhere in other Islamic lands – and could not build new churches or synagogues nor restore the old ones. Segregated in special quarters, they had to wear discriminatory clothing. Subjected to heavy taxes, the Christian peasantry formed a servile class attached to the Arab domains; many abandoned their land and fled to the towns. Harsh reprisals with mutilations and crucifixions would sanction the Mozarab (Christian dhimmis) calls for help from the Christian kings. Moreover, if one dhimmi harmed a Muslim, the whole community would lose its status of protection, leaving it open to pillage, enslavement and arbitrary killing.

By the end of the eighth century, the rulers of North Africa and of Andalusia had introduced rigorous Maliki jurisprudence as the predominant school of Muslim law. Three quarters of a century ago, at a time when political correctness was not dominating historical publication and discourse, Lévi-Provençal, wrote:

The Muslim Andalusian state thus appears from its earliest origins as the defender and champion of a jealous orthodoxy, more and more ossified in a blind respect for a rigid doctrine, suspecting and condemning in advance the least effort of rational speculation.10

Al-Andalus represented the land of jihad par excellence. Every year, sometimes twice a year, raiding expeditions were sent to ravage the Christian Spanish kingdoms to the north, the Basque regions, or France and the Rhone valley, bringing back booty and slaves. Andalusian corsairs attacked and invaded along the Sicilian and Italian coasts, even as far as the Aegean Islands, looting and burning as they went. Many thousands of non-Muslim captives were deported to slavery in Andalusia, where the caliph kept a militia of tens of thousand of Christian slaves, brought from all parts of Christian Europe (the Saqaliba), and a harem filled with captured Christian women. Society was sharply divided along ethnic and religious lines, with the Arab tribes at the top of the hierarchy, followed by the Berbers who were never recognized as equals, despite their Islamization; lower in the scale came the mullawadun converts and, at the very bottom, the dhimmi Christians and Jews.

The Andalusian Maliki jurist Ibn Abdun (d. 1134) offered these telling legal opinions regarding Jews and Christians in Seville around 1100 A.D.:

No…Jew or Christian may be allowed to wear the dress of an aristocrat, nor of a jurist, nor of a wealthy individual; on the contrary they must be detested and avoided. It is forbidden to [greet] them with the [expression], “Peace be upon you’. In effect, ‘Satan has gained possession of them, and caused them to forget God’s warning. They are the confederates of Satan’s party; Satan’s confederates will surely be the losers!” (Qur’an 58:19 [modern Dawood translation]). A distinctive sign must be imposed upon them in order that they may be recognized and this will be for them a form of disgrace.11

Ibn Abdun also forbade the selling of scientific books to dhimmis under the pretext that they translated them and attributed them to their co-religionists and bishops. In fact, plagiarism is difficult to prove since whole Jewish and Christian libraries were looted and destroyed. Another prominent Andalusian jurist, Ibn Hazm of Cordoba (d. 1064), wrote that Allah has established the infidels’ ownership of their property merely to provide booty for Muslims.12

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I don’t care who ya are, this is funny…

In Humor, islam, thinking out loud on August 2, 2010 at 12:01 am

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